Failed chip

Re: Failed chip

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:08:33 GMT

I'd demand advice in writing-just to cover your back since DEFRA advice seems somewhat variable-and the potential for legal probs with this one is quite high

Wynne

Re: Failed chip

Tom Ward — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:36:17 GMT

Thank you for all your help! I plan to ring DEFRA just to confirm where we stand, but am currently waiting on a call from the owner to make sure I have the 100% full story!

Re: Failed chip

Bob Russell — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:17:38 GMT

Going back to basics - if the chip has failed completely then I would have little worry putting a new chip in the standard place. Warn the owner that there is a theoretical risk that they may interfere with each other in which case it may be logical to go for a non-standard site.

When we have chip failures I routinely put the new chips in the normal place and have yet to have an issue! You will know within a few seconds of chipping if there is a problem!

Rabies vaccinate from scratch if going abroad! The dog is already in the UK and if it had been infected with rabies symptoms should have appeared by now!

DEFRA seem to have gone from extremely strict to very laid back about the whole PETS scheme if the comments above are typical responses.

Re: Failed chip

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:05:26 GMT

[quote user="Alan Tevendale"]

I do love how DEFRA will give one piece of advice one day then completely contradict themselves the next. Just fills me with confidence.

[/quote] Absolutely, the advice I was given was exactly the same as given to nikki which is one reason why I made my earlier post. I see red star man is out again, I cannot undersatand for the life of me why someone would red star me without qualification for suggesting it may not be wise to implant a new chip in an an obscure, unconventional place, I guess some people have sad lives.

Re: Failed chip

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:04:32 GMT

[quote user="Alan Tevendale"]

I do love how DEFRA will give one piece of advice one day then completely contradict themselves the next. Just fills me with confidence.

Re: Failed chip

Alan Tevendale — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:17:48 GMT

I do love how DEFRA will give one piece of advice one day then completely contradict themselves the next. Just fills me with confidence.

Re: Failed chip

nikki — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:26:21 GMT

i spoke to the PETS helpline a few weeks ago about a failed chip in a dog that already had a passport. They said it was fine to implant a new chip and issue a new passport and just write the number of the old chip in the back of the passport. Spoke to Bayer who sent a replacement chip and a form to invoice them for the cost of the new passport. They weren't bothered about xraying and removing the old chip.

Re: Failed chip

Alan Tevendale — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:40:18 GMT

One of our vets spoke to DEFRA regarding a chip that appeared not to be working. They advised xray to check that it is still there and if it is it should be removed prior to a second chip being placed. They stated that we should not implant a second chip until the first one had been removed.

Re: Failed chip

Joyce Whitehead — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:39:41 GMT

We had a client's dog last year that had a failed chip whilst she was in Switzerland being mated (dog not owner). The vet out there xrayed to locate the old chip and then removed it before putting in a new one. That would be an option for this one, providing as previous posters have said, there is no issue of illegality in initial importation.

Re: Failed chip

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:52:17 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]IF I was to re-chip the dog I would do it somewhere else (lumbar region) and record that if they needed a new passport.[/quote] I would be concerned that if it was implanted somewhere obscure it may be missed on a routine search - sometimes its difficult to find them when you know they're in the neck! I've missed on that had migrated to the underside of the brisket on a staff member's dog and we chipped it again before it was found.

Re: Failed chip

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:13:40 GMT

To me there is a lot of difference between a chip that has failed and just one that you can't read!

IF I was to re-chip the dog I would do it somewhere else (lumbar region) and record that if they needed a new passport.

We have a DERFA chip reader that we were lent to read the scrapie boluses, it belongs to them but seems to read some difficult chips. Might be worth asking if they have one you could borrow?

Re: Failed chip

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:53:12 GMT

Notwithstanding the implication that this dog may have been imported illegally (you don't say whether the chip ever worked well enough for entry via the PETS scheme of if it was quarantined) there is no reason why you cannot implant another chip and issue another passport but record the old number with some relevant notes in the back in section XI in case it suddenly becomes readable again at a later date.

Re: Failed chip

James Laidlaw — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:52:36 GMT

There was a dog that got from Morocco to Spain to Norway (or the Netherlands, not sure on the details...) Saw a vet in Morocco then Spain and got passport (only 8-10 weeks old I think) then got diagnosed with Rabies in Norway at a later date. You wouldn't want to be the person found to miss inaccuracies in an imported animal when there are suspicions of the traceability and therefore validity of the importation of the animal in such situations.

If you can get a scanner that reads and then verify everything then the problem is pretty much gone.

Re: Failed chip

Bob Russell — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:00:48 GMT

If the chip used initially is a non-standard one then rechipping should be an option. The US chips we have had problems with only show up as AVID chip without a number unless a suitable scanner is provided by the owner.

It may be possible for the owner to buy a scanner from abroad which will allow traceability unless the chip has failed. If the dog has been through quarantine then its previous history is probably fairly irrelevant for the PETS passport.

Re: Failed chip

James Laidlaw — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:23:45 GMT

I'd talk to defra/AHVLA if I were in your situation.

There's nothing stopping you putting a chip into any dog, BUT issuing a passport without any history of the import from Columbia/Spain that can be identified by a microchip (ie: there's no obvious traceability if I understand you correctly) then I wouldn't want to issue new documents to support the animal if there's a massive question mark over their being legally in the country in the first place...