Suggestions for a cat pissing on owners bed

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:20:06 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Even in chat, it drives me raving mad beyond all rational explanation when people say "steroids" when what they mean is[/quote]

........ taking steroids can make you like that!

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Does anyone remember an old movie about a chap with polyarteritis nodosa who was treated with the newly-discovered cortisone and became a tyrant who made his family's life a misery? Can anyone remember the name of it? Probably not, it was a fairly poor movie.

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Malcolm Ness — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:59:54 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Even in chat, it drives me raving mad beyond all rational explanation when people say "steroids" when what they mean is[/quote]

........ taking steroids can make you like that!

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:36:16 GMT

[quote user="Virginia Campbell"] other quiet room eg a rarely-used study.[/quote]

That would be the vet's house, then!

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Virginia Campbell — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:30:01 GMT

[quote user="John Rimmer"]you had to use two types of washing agents for two components of smell[/quote]

Went to cat behaviour talk this week so my memory has been refreshed:

first biological washing powder, to break down the proteins

then a surgical spirit to break down the volatile fatty acids

no bleach, as it contains ammonia...just like stale wee!

I agree with the idea of shutting the bedroom door to begin with at least, to break the habit.

Were I a cat I might consider a nice comfy bed in a quiet bedroom the perfect place to wee in peace. Ask if the litter tray is in the kitchen (lots human traffic and disruption) or utility room (maybe put off by noisy washing machine). Our behaviourist suggests try putting one behind the sofa, one in the bathroom and downstairs loo, and one in any other quiet room eg a rarely-used study.

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patrick murphy — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:49:33 GMT

I actually used it recently on an atopic cat who just was not able take cylosporin, and my staff actually questioned if it was an order error. it's working ! and I did give full disclosure, it was that or death or rehoming.

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Lorna McHardy — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:21:18 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

Even in chat, it drives me raving mad beyond all rational explanation when people say "steroids" when what they mean is a glucocorticoid, or an anabolic steroid, or whatever.

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PS I am not Mr. Rimmer.

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LOL! Fair enough

(P.S. you knew what I meant, though, didn't you... )

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:45:15 GMT

Even in chat, it drives me raving mad beyond all rational explanation when people say "steroids" when what they mean is a glucocorticoid, or an anabolic steroid, or whatever.

I imagine people pick up the habit from their university clinicians.

It creeps into scientific papers, too. And not only American ones.

Then popular (i.e. stupid ignorant and lazy) journalists do it, and we're done for.

PS I am not Mr. Rimmer.

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Lorna McHardy — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:53:30 GMT

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

You were comparing progestagens to "steroids", and progestagens are steroids. I presume you were comparing to glucocorticoids, different types of steroids.

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Sloppy shorthand, this being a place to chat, not a scientific paper. I'm pretty sure everyone knew what I meant. <shrug>

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John Rimmer — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:03:43 GMT

You were comparing progestagens to "steroids", and progestagens are steroids. I presume you were comparing to glucocorticoids, different types of steroids.

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Tom Ward — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:00:02 GMT

Multiple litter trays are always important I think - one for each cat +1. My young female DSH used to urinate on the bed in protest if we hadn't cleared her litter tray out for over 24hrs - they can be really fussy little things - make sure their litter tray hygiene is up to scratch.

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Lorna McHardy — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:29:04 GMT

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

Erm, what do you think Ovarid is if not a steroid?

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Well, I've always thought it was a progestagen or synthetic hormone, which is not, I believe, the same thing as a corticosteroid, despite some similar effects.

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John Rimmer — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:16:24 GMT

[quote user="Lorna McHardy"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

That was before Ovarid became the devil incarnate after some university professor decided it caused diabetes and every other feline illness known to man, despite none of us ever noticing this in practice.

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Sadly I have and mammary tumours.

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And weight gain that makes the effect of steroids look puny.... followed by obesity-related diseases. I've never liked the stuff.

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Erm, what do you think Ovarid is if not a steroid?

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John Rimmer — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:14:53 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

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Sadly I have and mammary tumours. [

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At the dosage I mentioned, i.e. 5mg or 2.5mg once weekly or once every other week?

Are you sure you saw mammary tumours and not mammary hyperplasia, which is easily cured with a jab of Alizin? Again, probably over seen if overdosed with Ovarid.

Why do people think it is so awful and yet are happy to give big jabs of progestagens in the form of Tardak, and have the exact equivalent themselves in the form of human mini pills?

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Lorna McHardy — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:25:15 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

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Sadly I have and mammary tumours.

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And weight gain that makes the effect of steroids look puny.... followed by obesity-related diseases. I've never liked the stuff.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:29:32 GMT

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

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Sadly I have and mammary tumours. [

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John Rimmer — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:47:02 GMT

She is the world expert on pissing cats though, so I believe.

I remember her saying that you had to use two types of washing agents for two components of smell. But that is far as my memory stretches :(

Lucky only ever had one pissing castrated male, which responded to once-weekly Ovarid rather well! That was before Ovarid became the devil incarnate after some university professor decided it caused diabetes and every other feline illness known to man, despite none of us ever noticing this in practice. But I digress.

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Bob Russell — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:43:28 GMT

[quote user="John Rimmer"]

Ask Sarah Heath!

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Hopefully this is what Sarah Heath was suggesting!!

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John Rimmer — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:36:42 GMT

Ask Sarah Heath!

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Bob Russell — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:59:37 GMT

If you have ruled out urinary tract problems go for Feliway, hot wash sheets/covers in biological washing powder , replace duvet, lock door to room. Signs of 'stress' in cats can be very difficult to detect.

Quiet place for litter tray (s) to encourage use. Change litter/clean out often.

My first advice is to prevent access to the offending area but this often just shifts the problem elsewhere but this can be a useful indicator in itself!

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Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:47:48 GMT

Temporarily put a litter tray on the bed and see if they use it...... if not, there's a problem with the choice of tray/litter etc. If they use it then the litter tray location needs looking at again...

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bob lehner — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:38:30 GMT

Lock it out of the bedroom.

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MeeraM — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:36:12 GMT

Our cats are fed next to the litter tray and so far :touchwood: they haven't urinated on our bed.

The obvious immediate solution to the problem is of course to shut the bedroom door...

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Edward Gillams — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:31:30 GMT

If the cat sometimes prefers the bed to the litter tray, why does the cat sometimes find the litter tray undesirable?

Is it elderly cat who struggles to get into the large tray?

Is the litter a different brand which smells/feels 'wrong'?

Is there a window overlooking the tray and the cat does not like being watched?

Are there other cats which block access to the tray?

Or does the cat just not like having to eat in the loo?

Could they try a second tray elsewhere in house? Possibly in bedroom?

Good luck

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Lorna McHardy — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:17:37 GMT

Intermittent problem... so what's different in the household when it happens?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:11:51 GMT

How often are the sheets washed?

Wynne