Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Alex Gough — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:10:19 GMT

Thanks - although credit must go to Narda - the words were hers not mine, and I tried to keep neutral in the tone of my questions.

Alex

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Niall Taylor — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:46:06 GMT

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On this subject, Vet Times have finally published my interview with the complementary and alternative veterinary medicine practitioner Narda Robinson. I think it makes interesting reading, but then I would, wouldn't I?!

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Excellent article Alex, I enjoyed reading it over tea and biccies on my half day. Very refreshing stuff!

Niall

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Julian Earl — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:50:35 GMT

[quote user="Judith Joyce"]

Glucosamine to treat arthritis is better than Flax oil to treat neoplasia.

Discuss.

Malcolm N

PS. Anyone that hasn't read John Diamond's book "Snake oil and other preoccupations" should ask for it as a Christmas present.

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So you don't accept the double-blinded large-scale independent study being bandied around by Vetplus then? My copy is at work so I haven't the reference to hand unfortunately. I'll edit in the reference tomorrow if I remember.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:30:47 GMT

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Hang on Martin - in the diabetic thread you say you can't rely on what owners say about how their pet is doing -now you say these people can judge whether glucosamine supplements make a difference in a waxing and waning disease like osteoarthritis?

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I reserve the right to use anecdotal evidence when it suits me.

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Five stars for that! Made me grin.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:35:35 GMT

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I reserve the right to use anecdotal evidence when it suits me.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Sarah Keir — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:16:40 GMT

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Alex

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Finally someone with a brain on their shoulders regarding complementary medicine. As Narda puts it 'where did the critical thinking in our profession go?'. I'm guess it is on the back of the shelf behind the snake oil.

Sarah

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:11:16 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Judith Joyce"]

Glucosamine to treat arthritis is better than Flax oil to treat neoplasia.

Discuss.

Malcolm N

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Well for a start, unlike cancer, arthritis is not fatal so you're not playing God by using it as a treatment. Secondly although it is rather subjective there are plenty who believe glucosamine + chondroitin works for themselves or their pet (I assume you mean varying combinations of the two rather than just glucosamine or if not it becomes a different arghument) including myself, whose knees are quite thankful for it. Thirdly I have a shed load of the bloody stuff to get rid of from a special deal before I say its crap and I can't take it all myself, I hate the palatable tablets as much as most dogs do, but I'm fresh out of flax oil.

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Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:04:52 GMT

[quote user="Judith Joyce"]

Glucosamine to treat arthritis is better than Flax oil to treat neoplasia.

Discuss.

Malcolm N

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Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Alex Gough — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:17:14 GMT

Alex

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:00:16 GMT

I personally no longer recommend glucosamine supplements.

I have not read the Snake Oil book, but "Bad Science" is excellent.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Judith Joyce — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:44:08 GMT

Glucosamine to treat arthritis is better than Flax oil to treat neoplasia.

Discuss.

Malcolm N

PS. Anyone that hasn't read John Diamond's book "Snake oil and other preoccupations" should ask for it as a Christmas present.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Laurence Webb — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:48:35 GMT

If your liver is large enough to massage you're in a bit of trouble already

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Niall Taylor — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:31:12 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]My surgeon is now wondering if we can offer minimally invasive liver massage via laparoscopy![/quote]

Perhaps you could combine this as a package with doggy coffee enemas - I bet someone somewhere is doing it!

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:55:26 GMT

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A new treatment - colono-hepatic irrigation?

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Don't - if you're not careful we'll have celebrities queuing up for them and then it will become de rigueur.

PS when I first typed rigueur I made a typo and put it as rigour - quite prophetic really.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Richard Fox — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:07:48 GMT

A new treatment - colono-hepatic irrigation?

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Alex Gough — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:23:58 GMT

This bit tickled us:some dogs are prone to pancreatitis. The fat
content in the diet can sometimes induce this. Due to years of eating
processed dog food, liver blockages can develop -- which makes a dog more
susceptible to pancreatitis. A liver cleanse can help clear the blockages -- using dandelion root and administering frequent liver massages.

My surgeon is now wondering if we can offer minimally invasive liver massage via laparoscopy!

Alex

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Bob Russell — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:02:05 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]

In the interests of balance.....

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691506002262

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Basically suggesting that eating seeds as part of your diet may reduce the incidence of colonic cancer. This work may be relevant in other omnivores (including humans) but is hardly a treatment for neoplasia?

Pure pseudoscience from this 'medically trained' person! I am just off to the health food shop to buy some flax oil!

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Rob Davis — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:46:50 GMT

In the interests of balance.....

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691506002262

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Niall Taylor — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:35:12 GMT

Oh, dear, I've just stopped laughing at the replies, fortunately I wasn't holding any hot drinks at the time of reading! Thanks guys for your excellent and hilarious responses, I'll try and break it to the owners as gently as possible.

Five stars all round!!!

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:54:50 GMT

Pray to Neda - Greek goddess of flowing water. After all, isn't that what a Cascade is? :D

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Stephen Courtney — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:34:17 GMT

I usually just lay hands and pray a bit. Crystal dowsing can be most satisfying. Sometimes I speak in tongues, and I occasionally sacrifice (appropriately) to the Gods. My short term results are usually excellent, and failures usually are due to lack of faith.

Brilliant!

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Laurence Webb — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:07:06 GMT

[quote]Dr. Johanna preaches against the use of what she calls "pseudo" fats - "hydrogenated," "partially hydrogenated" and even "polyunsaturated."...To function efficiently, cells require true polyunsaturated, live electron-rich lipids[/quote]

Well that's cleared that up then. I shall stay away from those nasty polyunsaturated fats and fill my face with some polyunsaturated fats instead.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:39:24 GMT

I am happy with my turquoise crystals, they work perfectly every time. (ie I get paid for my time. Not sure what happens to the dogs...)

But whatever you do DON'T use the red crystals. Tried it once. Not good.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:30:42 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

Has anyone ever heard of flax oil being used to treat neoplasia in the dog. A client of mine, very nice people, have a dog with serious problems - adenocarcinoma which has metastesised - and she has been told about it by a friend.

Sounds too good to be true but I thought I'd ask.

Cheers,

Niall

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How could you doubt it? Yup I use it all the time it works wonders.

PS I also believe in Father Christmas and that there's fairies at the bottom of my garden, and that my self-invested pension will be as good as a public sector worker's......need I say more.

Re: Flax oil to treat neoplasia

Richard Fox — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:21:45 GMT

Is that like snake oil?