face full of ketamine

Re: face full of keatmine

Robert Whiteford — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:45:50 GMT

Legend has it that the late great Reggie Lowe of Kirkaldy, a pioneer in the use of Immobilon (in deer I think), regularly arrived home with his hands stained yellow from the drug!!

Re: face full of keatmine

plantagenet — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:36:22 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I would say it was entirely psycosomatic[/quote]

We obviously need a fully controlled experiment to resolve this in which 2 equal numbers of vets (reflecting a representative sample of fitness and age) deliberately prick their fingers...............

Re: face full of keatmine

bob lehner — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:15:08 GMT

Ah well - I expect all that bicycling means you are superfit - unlike me.

Re: face full of keatmine

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:19:12 GMT

[quote user="Martin Jones"]

For the record, after much experience, the worst blowback of all is anal glands, into the eye. Gives you an understanding of what oven cleaner feels like.

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I once had an anal gland blowback followed by a jet of diarrhoea - on a house call so no way of immediately getting cleaned up. To make things worse the owner thought it was funny! I always stand to one side now but if there is an annoying brat in the consult room I get them to stand round the back to they can see what I'm doing (out of interest only of course). I now wish I done that with the owner of the dog mentioned.

Bob Lehner said:

I had an interesting experience the other day - I was at home by myself and injected one of my cats with a dom/torb/ket mixture to lance a cba. I then cleverly managed to prick my finger with the needle of the completely empty syringe. It bled a little bit, so I washed it well and squeezed out as much blood as I could.

I wasn't in the least bit concerned or stressed about this - but about 10 minutes later I felt distinctly odd and woozy. I have a blood pressure monitor at home as I have to check my bp regularly - normally at rest I run at about 135/75. I took my bp and it was around 100/55 ! I sat still for about 1/2 an hour by which time it was back to normal. I am convinced that this was not a psychological response and believe I must have absorbed a tiny amount of the drug combo - literally what was in the needle - which had a fairly dramatic effect on my bp.

Another colleague once pricked her finger with a somulose syringe and spent the rest of the day in hospital.

I would say it was entirely psycosomatic, surely the volumes are so small from a needle stick rather than actual self injection that they could not have any effect? I have pricked my finger dozens of times with all manner of things including anaesthetics and pentobarbitone and never had the slightest problem (except with the Brucellosis syringe)!

Re: face full of keatmine

bob lehner — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:45:45 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

I had a blowback from a syringe of large animal immobilon once into my eyes and mouth, everyone else was panicking because there wasn't any Narcan, I washed my face and got on with the rest of the day's work with no effects.

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Well I would say you were mighty lucky ! Perhaps 'St Martin' was standing over you.

I don't think we should under-estimate the risks from some of the drugs we handle on a daily basis.

Another colleague once pricked her finger with a somulose syringe and spent the rest of the day in hospital.

I'm surprised there are not far more serious incidents reported with our use of these potent products - although famously shortly after immobilon was introduced here a vet did die after accidental self-injection.

Re: face full of keatmine

Mark Holmes — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:30:10 GMT

[quote user="Martin Jones"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

everyone else was panicking because there wasn't any Narcan, I washed my face and got on with the rest of the day's work with no effects.

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Really?

I bet you were running around screaming 'I'm too beautiful to die' and sobbing uncontrollably. I know I did.

For the record, after much experience, the worst blowback of all is anal glands, into the eye. Gives you an understanding of what oven cleaner feels like.

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I would agree that anal gand blowback is quite horrendous, which is why I am sure to wear full face protection when over I get to close. That said I know someone hospitalised for 3 days after a somulose blowback so I guess that beats anal glands.

Re: face full of keatmine

Martin Jones — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:01:47 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

everyone else was panicking because there wasn't any Narcan, I washed my face and got on with the rest of the day's work with no effects.

[/quote]

Really?

I bet you were running around screaming 'I'm too beautiful to die' and sobbing uncontrollably. I know I did.

For the record, after much experience, the worst blowback of all is anal glands, into the eye. Gives you an understanding of what oven cleaner feels like.

Re: face full of ketamine

tess — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:45:58 GMT

I got a eyeful of Euthatal once when the needle blew off the syringe as I was injecting it. No side effects as I washed my eyes out quickly but my optician commented on the strange residue on my soft contact lens at my next eye exam!

Re: face full of keatmine

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:21:40 GMT

Stop worrying, enjoy the ride and reflect that you've had a legal fix, you junkie! I had a blowback from a syringe of large animal immobilon once into my eyes and mouth, everyone else was panicking because there wasn't any Narcan, I washed my face and got on with the rest of the day's work with no effects.

Re: face full of keatmine

Bob Russell — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:47:18 GMT

Cooooool!

Re: face full of keatmine

Mark Rowland — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:07:33 GMT

Well I supose it will add some entertainment value to afternoon consults

Re: face full of keatmine

Stephen Courtney — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:00:04 GMT

You'll be fine. any effects noted will psychosomatic. What you might absorb before washing it off would have been practically homeopathic.

Re: face full of keatmine

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:56:53 GMT

It's absorbed through MM's but people are quite tolerant as far as I know.

Best bet would be put some music on and drink plenty of water. Send the nurse out for some glow sticks, get the receptionist to repeatedly turn the lights on and off.