Rabbit spays

Re: Rabbit spays

Mark Rowland — Wed, 11 May 2011 18:55:07 GMT

Goodbye

M N Rowland BVSC CertZooMed MRCVS

Re: Rabbit spays

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 11 May 2011 18:51:38 GMT

Enough.

Re: Rabbit spays

Mark Holmes — Wed, 11 May 2011 18:45:00 GMT

There is nothing poor taste about rabbit casserole if done properly! You do raise a good point regarding dogs though. A few years ago I had the mis fortune of having to boil out a dog's carcass in order to mount the skeleton for an anatomy project. It smelt delicious and I felt a little bit dirty. No I wasn't tempted but I could have been if not for the barbiturates.

Re: Rabbit spays

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 11 May 2011 18:32:46 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]If you want to have a humour section then please feel free to put one up so people can joke to their hearts content.[/quote]

Absolutely not. I would no more do that than introduce a new rule in my company that staff may only make jokes during joke time, between 10:00am and 10:15am in the morning.

Seriously, I think laughing is one of the most important aspects of life that there is. The world would be a very much better place if more people did more of it.

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]We live in times where we are more and more scrutinised.[/quote]

You're right. I deplore the effect this has on people's ability to have a laugh. In this politically correct, increasingly scrutinised world we live in, people seem almost ashamed to have a laugh about so many things. 'I was joking' should be a badge of honour, not a mark of shame.

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]If I had genuine concerns and wanted to post a question, I would feel belittled by the comments that have been put and may not post again.[/quote]

I didn't think the posts belittled the original poster in the slightest. If I did, I would have intervened immediately, as that would be completely at odds with what these forums are supposed to be all about.

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]Would vetsurgeon.org feel happy posting this thread on lets say Rabbit forums UK?[/quote]

No. But that seems a fallacious argument. The criteria for posts on vetsurgeon.org is not the same as for rabbit forums UK.

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]Are you seriuosly saying that over speying a rabbit, you should cook it is not in poor taste or am I being subjective?[/quote]

What I am saying is that since I don't claim to be the arbiter of good and bad taste, I cannot possibly say whether the comment was in good or bad taste. Taste is in the eye of the beholder, so I could only tell you whether I personally found it in good or bad taste.

As I said, black humour is more likely to misfire than most. Still, I think the occasional misfire is a price well worth paying for the greater freedom to laugh as hard and as often as humanly possible.

Re: Rabbit spays

Mark Rowland — Wed, 11 May 2011 17:37:01 GMT

Thank-you for your comments. I am a member of the Veterinary Information Network. I can tell you that my response would have been mute compared to those guys. If you want to have a humour section then please feel free to put one up so people can joke to their hearts content. My issue is thet if people do not have constructive comments to make on a genuine question then they should refrain from commenting. We live in times where we are more and more scrutinised. Im sure the vet playing with the anaesthetised cat on the panorama programme was only joking and meant no harm. If I had genuine concerns and wanted to post a question, I would feel belittled by the comments that have been put and may not post again. Would vetsurgeon.org feel happy posting this thread on lets say Rabbit forums UK? how do people think the public would react?. Are you seriuosly saying that over speying a rabbit, you should cook it is not in poor taste or am I being subjective? Its black and white to me, Im saddened really, I thought we were above this and that veterinary only forums would show a little more respect.

Mark

Re: Rabbit spays

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 11 May 2011 17:16:09 GMT

Mark, I'm genuinely sorry you've found some of the posts in this thread offensive. I can see why you did.

But, as you kind of allude to yourself, humour (black humour in particular) is a pretty subjective thing. Where you judge something to be in deeply poor taste and unprofessional, the next person may think it quite the funniest thing they've read in ages, and so clearly a joke as to have no bearing on the professionalism of the poster.

You may be offended, and you're absolutely entitled to say so. But I think you should have finished your post one sentence earlier!

Re: Rabbit spays

Mark Rowland — Wed, 11 May 2011 14:59:33 GMT

Im sorry but I find some of the comments made on this thread totally unhelpful and frankly juvenile. The poster is voicing concerns only to have ridiculous comments posted up. I wonder, would any of your rabbit clients (should you have any) like to see these comments. How do you feel they reflect on the profession. In some countries they eat dogs, would you be happy making these comments about canine patients. The question has been answered in amongst the silly posts present but all I want to add is that some people should just grow up and if they dont want to spey rabbits, Butt out of the thread and try acting professionally.

M N Rowland BVSc CertZooMed MRCVS

Re: Rabbit spays

Clive Ansell — Wed, 11 May 2011 13:44:05 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]

I had one recently braised in cider sauce - beautiful

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Do you have the recipe?

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I don't I'm afraid, it was in a restaurant, although I can't find it on the menu now

Re: Rabbit spays

Edward Jones — Wed, 11 May 2011 13:20:01 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]What's the issue with spaying?[/quote]

1) Technically quite challenging (well some are, some aren't), especially if not done frequently or regularly (the case for many SA GPs) and technique not taught in any kind of official sense.

2) Relatively high risk of complication from the surgery and/or anaesthesia (as compared to cats + dogs).

I think I do them quite frequently (well I think I do - 5 so far this week although that's more than usual!) and I find the anatomy varies quite considerably between individuals and with age.

Re: Rabbit spays

Colin Cameron — Tue, 10 May 2011 13:49:53 GMT

Re: Rabbit spays

Kate Richardson — Mon, 09 May 2011 23:49:31 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]

I had one recently braised in cider sauce - beautiful

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Do you have the recipe?

Re: Rabbit spays

Colin Cameron — Mon, 09 May 2011 18:15:48 GMT

Thats all very well for Virbac but have you seen the price per ferret ? ( £40-50 ), although someone is apparently doing it for £30 ( amazing as it is about £30 inc VAT wholesale ). Had a client booked in for several ferrets who rapidly had a change of mind on learning then full cost ( had been quoted wholsale price not inc. VAT in error). Suprelorin now residing in fridge!

Re: Rabbit spays

Andrew Kent — Sat, 07 May 2011 11:12:14 GMT

You could speak to Virbac about the use of Suprelorin implants - they have information on the use of these in female ferrets so may have some advice on rabbits?

Andy

Re: Rabbit spays

Rob Loxley — Fri, 06 May 2011 19:32:55 GMT

[quote user="plantagenet"]Are there any medical alternatives to rabbit spays??[/quote]

What's the issue with spaying?

Re: Rabbit spays

Clive Ansell — Fri, 06 May 2011 17:10:04 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]

Eat them as God intended and theres no need to spay them and you avoid the risks of 1,2 and 3 as listed above.

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I had one recently braised in cider sauce - beautiful

Re: Rabbit spays

plantagenet — Fri, 06 May 2011 16:36:01 GMT

I love it, and am with you, but not sure what terms to put that to the owner.

Re: Rabbit spays

Michael Woodhouse — Fri, 06 May 2011 16:00:34 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]

Eat them as God intended and theres no need to spay them and you avoid the risks of 1,2 and 3 as listed above.

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And rather good sport

Re: Rabbit spays

Mark Holmes — Fri, 06 May 2011 15:44:58 GMT

Eat them as God intended and theres no need to spay them and you avoid the risks of 1,2 and 3 as listed above.

Re: Rabbit spays

Ian Mostyn — Fri, 06 May 2011 12:47:00 GMT

Short answer - No

Long answer - Not really as you are spaying for 3 reasons:-

1. No litters - probably can manage it hormonally but not relaibly

2. Improved temperament - entire females can be quite nasty as spaying early improves that

3. Prevention of uterine carcinomas - such a bigger killer that can only be controlled surgically.

Ian

Re: Rabbit spays

Emily Nightingale — Fri, 06 May 2011 11:34:27 GMT

Can only think of one: get a male rabbit.