Giardiosis help required!!!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Kate Richardson — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:18:50 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

And quite possibly, considering the number of normal animals that have giardia and campylobactor in their faeces, neither were significant!

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That is something I always consider but in the face of consistent clinical signs and diarrhoea of 3 weeks plus in duration, felt both warranted treatment. They both resolved with (or regardless of ) treatment, so happy dogs and happy owners!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:12:18 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

Had a couple of puppies (different cases) that had giardia initially, treated w panacur, improved, but then developed diarrhoea again, repeated faecalanalysis and giardia eliminated but found campylobacter!

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And quite possibly, considering the number of normal animals that have giardia and campylobactor in their faeces, neither were significant!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Kate Richardson — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:28:00 GMT

I generally give at least 10 days of panacur which does the trick in most cases, and always try to repeat faecalanalysis after tx. Had a couple of puppies (different cases) that had giardia initially, treated w panacur, improved, but then developed diarrhoea again, repeated faecalanalysis and giardia eliminated but found campylobacter!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Bob Russell — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:53:06 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Mellor"]

tritrichomonas disintergrates after about 30-40 mins outside the body so swabs really need to be taken and looked at straight away usually can be seen under practice microscope, trichrichomonas are motile and purposeful where as giardia float around aimlessly, best to really rub swab into rectal wall but high probability of false neg better to use pcr faeces test

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Will give it a go!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Andrew Mellor — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:25:29 GMT

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Bob Russell — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:01:00 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Beyond giardia, have you looked for tritrichomonas?

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Not found but lab did look - if it doesn't settle this time I will get them to look again.

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Rob Loxley — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:49:28 GMT

Beyond giardia, have you looked for tritrichomonas?

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Mark Hedberg — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:43:25 GMT

And yes, I know suggesting low-dose steroids is heresy, but if you've got a badly inflamed gut, it can help calm things down.

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:39:28 GMT

Try Vit B12 Something I was 1st advised by an experienced practitioner back in the dark ages-and then 2 or 3 years ago was told in a CPD course-apparently they've now proven it helps

Wynne

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Bob Russell — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:54:05 GMT

[quote user="Aurelijus Laurinavicius"]

Tenazym® susp. 10 ml ( Tetracyklin, neomycin, prednisolon and trypsin, chymotrypsin, papain) (veyx pharma GmbH) 0.2 ml /1 kg.body weight.

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We have a rather rubbish attitude to 'poly-pharmacy' products here in the UK. Great combination products like this are not available!

We used to have a magic product called Neosulphentrin which was a great combination of everything good for diarrhoea. These have been relegated to history!

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Bob Russell — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:48:38 GMT

Both cats treated. Indoor cats so environment fairly easy to clean. External lab picked up giardia and we have been monitoring here with in-house test.

Each Panacur course has been 7 days. Diet initially RC intestinal then moved to RC young male. I am also old-fashioned enough to be using Forgastrin. They will follow up antibiotics with Protexin.

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Martin Atkinson — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:41:55 GMT

Are you basing your diagnosis on culture or PCR? If the former maybe you're missing other possible causes if the latter maybe you're picking up small amounts of giardia DNA but it is not significant. In my experience, if it truly was giardiasis, the gut takes a while to recover from the insult. But make sure they're not continually re-infesting themselves from a persistant source, I've had that with cats from a multi-cat environment.

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Christopher Saul — Fri, 03 Dec 2010 22:36:29 GMT

make sure you give em a good long course of panacur, at least a week.......

Re: Giardiosis help required!!!

Aurelijus vet — Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:58:15 GMT

Tenazym® susp. 10 ml ( Tetracyklin, neomycin, prednisolon and trypsin, chymotrypsin, papain) (veyx pharma GmbH) 0.2 ml /1 kg.body weight.