Mud Fever

Re: Mud Fever

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:56:55 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]Wasn't Proflavine withdrawn and/or banned years and years ago due to being a carcinogen?[/quote]

We have some still. There's a data sheet on the JMLoverage website that doesn't suggest a carcinogen

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Re: Mud Fever

Julian Earl — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:20:29 GMT

Wasn't Proflavine withdrawn and/or banned years and years ago due to being a carcinogen? I agree, though, we used to use it as a first-line treatment for MF.

Don't forget that it is a contagious disease, and drying is a fundamental part of any treatment process.

Re: Mud Fever

Nigel Haizelden — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:05:52 GMT

I also have used a similar approach to Meera but instead of Flamazine use Proflavine Cream - very cheap and fantastic colour! Has a really soothing effect - used to be used for burns patients. Very good effect for softening scabs - most cases can be cleaned completely after wrapping with copious proflavine and clingfilm for 48 hours. If some persistent scabs just repeat for a further 48hrs. Wash thoroughly to remove ALL debris and then DRY thoroughly. I then use Engemycin Spray or similar to dry up any remaining sore areas.

Nigel Haizelden

Re: Mud Fever

David Scarff — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:02:34 GMT

At this time of year also worth considering pastern vasculitis and photosensitisation as differentials, and don't forget Chorioptes in a horse with feathers.

Re: Mud Fever

Lwyalep - — Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:32:12 GMT

In our derm lectures (and on a horse I had on loan) we got recommended washing with Hibi OR medicated shampoo such as Malaseb or Coatex....

I used coatex on my horse and it worked fantastically not only at treatment but softening the skin and the scabs that formed subsequently (cause the things obviously keep coming back until sorted!!!) thanks to its keratoplastic agent!

Love flamazine as well!

Re: Mud Fever

John Hodsdon — Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:18:18 GMT

I get best results by clipping legs, cleaning with dilute hibi, and by applying flamazine - if dry mudfever then do the bandaging as said previously to remove the scabs - only use a/b if limbs swollen.

Re: Mud Fever

Richard Fox — Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:30:05 GMT

From a pathology point of view we rarely get any aetiologically specific results from biopsy in chronic mud fever/pastern dermatitis

Re: Mud Fever

Gerry Henry — Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:27:02 GMT

I know Gerry well enough to know that he would never admit to having CHEAP vegetable oil in the house.

True Malc, very true. As you know I've always favoured the 'extra virgin' .

Re: Mud Fever

Bob Russell — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:10:28 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="bob lehner"]with cheap vegetable oil [/quote]

Would cold pressed extra virgin olive oil do just as well?

I know Gerry well enough to know that he would never admit to having CHEAP vegetable oil in the house.

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Changing tack temporarily (no pun intended)- in my youth we recommended using aftershave or cheap perfume to stop animals licking at areas we did not want touched.

'Young man! I do not use cheap perfume' put a stop to that one.

Quite right - she was very well to-do and probably spent more in a week than I did in a year. Lovely lady though - thank goodness she had a sense of humour.

Re: Mud Fever

bob lehner — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:33:08 GMT

Dunno - we're that poor that we only have Lidl own-brand corn oil at home - works well on the missus's horse tho'.

Re: Mud Fever

Wren — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:43:43 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="bob lehner"]with cheap vegetable oil [/quote]

Would cold pressed extra virgin olive oil do just as well?

I know Gerry well enough to know that he would never admit to having CHEAP vegetable oil in the house.

[/quote]

It would have to be single estate.... I find that blended just isn't the same

Re: Mud Fever

Malcolm Ness — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:09:15 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]with cheap vegetable oil [/quote]

Would cold pressed extra virgin olive oil do just as well?

I know Gerry well enough to know that he would never admit to having CHEAP vegetable oil in the house.

Re: Mud Fever

bob lehner — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:53:57 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Vaseline over the top helps protect the skin of they are out and going to get wet again (if treated when brought in at night, can apply vaseline at turnout next morning).[/quote]

Paint the lower legs with cheap vegetable oil as water repellent to try and prevent further m.f. - cheap and cheerful option.

Re: Mud Fever

Gerry Henry — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:22:09 GMT

Thanks all.

Re: Mud Fever

Wren — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:00:06 GMT

Flamzine is also my cream of choice. I like Fuciderm, but the heat from your fingers makes it slide off between hand and foot so the only way I can do it is to apply directly to the leg, however I still think it's too 'thin'.

Re: Mud Fever

nikki — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:13:22 GMT

exactly as per Meera M put. clingfilm is fab at softening the scabs. flamazine is also really good.

Re: Mud Fever

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:31:05 GMT

Clip. Clean with hibi or Virkon. I have used a thin smear of Fuciderm as I think the steroid helps. Vaseline over the top helps protect the skin of they are out and going to get wet again (if treated when brought in at night, can apply vaseline at turnout next morning).

Re: Mud Fever

Julian Earl — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:22:47 GMT

Clip. Clean with an antibacterial such as Hibiscrub. Dry. Apply antibacterial cream. Use systemic antibiotics if the leg is swollen, otherwise just topicals.

Re: Mud Fever

MeeraM — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:13:26 GMT

Hi,

I've found flamazine to be good at softening the scabs enough to remove them. Mild cases, I wash with dil. hibi first, remove as many scabs as poss, then rinse, dry, apply flam. Moderate cases or those who are too painful to wash with hibi first; plaster on the flamazine, cling-film and bandage - then start picking the scabs off 12hrs later. Re-apply flam, cling-film and bandage and repeat as often as necessary. Severe cases or non-responsive moderate cases - consider systemic antibiosis.

I suspect everyone treats mud fever slightly differently, I'd be interested to see how others approach the problem too :)