WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Edward Jones — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:09:08 GMT

We're changing to do panleucopenia in cats only every third year, as per datasheet for the Purevax and Nobivac vaccines.

Re: Lapsed dog vaccinations that are still within 3 years of the last DHP: are 2 lepto doses required? The Nobivac datasheet suggests not.

Lastly: does anyone not vaccinate against Pi routinely? Interestingly, the Nobivac datasheets advise 2 injections of Pi to start, but only 1 if intranasal. Should we be particularly concerned about Pi vaccination, as compared to DHP/L (in less at-risk dogs, given the difference in severity of disease)?

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Bob Russell — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:22:45 GMT

[quote user="sophia guymer"]

[quote user="robloxley"]What rationale is there for giving two doses of DHP to 'lapsed' ADULT dogs; the second full dose is because of MDA around the time of 1st PUPPY vaccination[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I have not got a choice though, got to do what is practice policy.

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Not sure which brand of vaccine you are using but I suspect this is not as per data sheet. If the practice guidelines are based on cost/profit get those formulating the guidelines to check the relative cost of DHP L and L alone. They may be tempted to reduce the cost of the restart by removing the second DHP - just not that much!!! (cynical non-existent smiley). Lower cost to owner, same profit for practice and in line with data sheets - everyone wins!!!

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

sophia guymer — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:15:43 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]What rationale is there for giving two doses of DHP to 'lapsed' ADULT dogs; the second full dose is because of MDA around the time of 1st PUPPY vaccination[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I have not got a choice though, got to do what is practice policy.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:53:57 GMT

This is becoming a bit of an old chestnut and the reply has to be that we have to follow the manufacturer's guidelines if we are to be safe from litigation but I can't help feel that if something went belly-up, if we have followed WSAVA or ABCD guidelines - this would be an adequate defence, however rather cynically some decisions on fees income also comes into play when deciding 'best practice'. I still vaccinate annually, I do a 16-18 wk 3rd parvo for black and tans, and I'll drop FeLV vaccines for older cats or those that are primarily indoors. However I will not restart vaccine courses if they have lapsed less than 3 years and I will give only a single vaccine to an animal of unknown vaccination status but make sure they have a booster 12 months later. I think chlamydophila should be part of the core schedule for cats but not everyone does and its a pity there was so little uptake of bordatella vaccine for cats. I see both of these diseases quite frequently, chlamydia more than cat flu in fact.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Vikki Halliday LLB — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:00:05 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

And: in the elderly dog or cat, if it's a choice between a necessary treatment (dental work for instance) and "the booster" I have no hesitation in telling them the treatment has priority.

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I would take that further because I refuse to give the vaccination if the animal is not healthy, therefore dental diseaze MUST be treated before having the vaccinatinon.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Rob Loxley — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:09:48 GMT

[quote user="Jessica Fawkes"]What about asking clients to restart primary vacc courses of all vaccines if > 18months between boosters[/quote]

What rationale is there for giving two doses of DHP to 'lapsed' ADULT dogs; the second full dose is because of MDA around the time of 1st PUPPY vaccination?

And if the adult dog had DHPPi given say 2 years ago and the revaccination interval is 4 years, surely it just needs Pi and two doses of lepto?

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Utlendigur — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:16:53 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]

Does anybody else stop vaccinating for FELV in elderly cats and reduce the vaccine to just flu/enteritis?

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Yes - I discuss it with the owner and if the cat has reached the stage where it doesn't venture out much/at all, its risk of FeLV is very low, I'd suggest stopping the FeLV - some owners still prefer to keep the full vaccine even so. My own younger cat gets the full vaccine, the geriatric one gets flu/ent only.

As to the initial question - we stick to the data sheets.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:20:38 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]

Does anybody else stop vaccinating for FELV in elderly cats and reduce the vaccine to just flu/enteritis?

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Yes, I do.

And: in the elderly dog or cat, if it's a choice between a necessary treatment (dental work for instance) and "the booster" I have no hesitation in telling them the treatment has priority.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:58 GMT

[quote user="Vikki Halliday"]

Nope, not changing anything until the vaccine manufacturers change the data sheets. It may be a guideline from the WSAVA, but it is not their neck on the line if the animal reacts to the vaccine.

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What she said.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Mark Holmes — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:56:42 GMT

No question re old geriatric cat and flu/enteritis vac, but when did anyone see a geriatric cat +ve with confirmed FELV assocated disease, thats persistantly infected and not just transiently infected.

I would think with the risk of fibrosarcoma formation being associated with FELV vac and we probably see a couple each year. That once an animal reaches an age at which risks of FELV drop below risks of sarcoma formation then the vaccine should cease. That leaves values to be placed on age and risks. I agree very difficult. But I usually stop felv vaccines at 14ish I imagine one could stop sooner than this in reality.

One could try an extend the argument to when did one last see distemper or VHD but the arguments are different. Non vaccinated animals are suspectible to both at any age and the virus is at very low levels in the uk. With Felv the virus is still relatively common but older animals have an innate resistance to it. This innate resistance and previous vaccination would be more than sufficient to reduce the rick to such a low level that sarcoma is more likely than FELV associated disease. Once an animal is >16 or >17 FELV is unlikely to have time to cause clinical disease as the virus takes a couple of years post infection for clinical disease to develop.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:03:44 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Not worried about cat vaccinations at the moment but would happily reduce the frequency of feline enteritis if our brand of vaccine allowed it. The jury seems to be out on how long leukaemia vaccines last. We have had no obvious reactions so no pressure to change without good reason.

Much more concerned about the 18 week parvo - we already do recommend it for the 'black and tan 'breeds but Virbac experts have always been keen for later finish vaccination courses.

In general the WSAVA guidelines are close to the protocol we follow. Live virus vaccines every three years, killed (lepto) annually. Not had any problems so unless things have changed in the guidelines we will stick with what we are doing.

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Pretty much exactly what we do - as per Nobivac data sheet.

As for the 18-month-lapsed-booster - I discuss this with the client, explain that restarting the vaccinations is what is recommended and explain that it may be overkill but that we would not be certain (well as certain as you can be with any vaccine) that the animal is protected. The client then can make an informed decision, most choose to start again.

Re the geriatric cat - I very seldom end up in a situation where it is either the vaccine or the workup. More usually it is the animal presenting for annual vacc and then we pick up the problem. The cost of the annual booster is relatively small compared to the cost of initial consultation, blood work, repeat checkups, ongoing meds, diet etc. As for whether or not they need the vaccine - again, who can tell? You could argue that older, infirm animals will have more severe disease when they get it and therefore are definitely in need of vaccination - as per flu vaccs in vulnerable (often elderly) humans.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Jessica Fawkes — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:39:13 GMT

I do / would if I have "free choice".

I feel uncomfortable vaccinating animals blindly/ unquestioningly when they are geriatric. Especially if the owners are reluctant to spend the "extra" money on blood tests for their (probably)hyperthyroid cat, or do dental work on the 14 YO Yorkie. Surely (when money is being "doled out" it's better to spend the funds managing the problems the animal has , or is very likely to get, rather than preventing those conditions very unlikely to occur in the "older , vaccinated for the last 10 years" pet.

What about asking clients to restart primary vacc courses of all vaccines if > 18months between boosters. ? Is this routine practice?

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Mark Holmes — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:28:27 GMT

Does anybody else stop vaccinating for FELV in elderly cats and reduce the vaccine to just flu/enteritis?

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Bob Russell — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:06:45 GMT

Much more concerned about the 18 week parvo - we already do recommend it for the 'black and tan 'breeds but Virbac experts have always been keen for later finish vaccination courses.

Re: WSAVA Vaccination Guideline

Vikki Halliday LLB — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:48:06 GMT

Nope, not changing anything until the vaccine manufacturers change the data sheets. It may be a guideline from the WSAVA, but it is not their neck on the line if the animal reacts to the vaccine.