Males attracted to neutered male

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Rob Smith — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:11:47 GMT

[quote user="Martin McDowell"]

I have seen a similar "problem" between my neutered cats (both neutered by myself so I can confirm no cryptorchidism). That can't be related to anal gland scents.

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Why not?

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

sophia guymer — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:43:33 GMT

Thanks for that Louise, will pass it on.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Martin McDowell — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:24:36 GMT

I have seen a similar "problem" between my neutered cats (both neutered by myself so I can confirm no cryptorchidism). That can't be related to anal gland scents.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

sophia guymer — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:23:32 GMT

Thank you everybody for your replies, will have a word with the owner about the hormones and will get the dog in again to check his anal glands ( no problems noticed, but worth checking.)

If we do find out, will let you know.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

James Allsop — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:44:18 GMT

[quote user="Catherine Williams"]The pheromones normally produced in the anal glands need modification by bacteria to produce the correct smell, apparently if you get an infection in the glands and an abnormal bacterial population the compound that is then produced is closely related to one of the pheromones produced by an in season bitch and can trigger abnormal behaviour in other dogs.[/quote]

I also heard about this, at a BSAVA talk on pheromones a few years ago, being a common cause of inter male dog aggression

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Catherine Williams — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:17:44 GMT

Worth checking there's no lingering problem in the anal glands.

The pheromones normally produced in the anal glands need modification by bacteria to produce the correct smell, apparently if you get an infection in the glands and an abnormal bacterial population the compound that is then produced is closely related to one of the pheromones produced by an in season bitch and can trigger abnormal behaviour in other dogs.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Laurence Webb — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:14:04 GMT

I share the same lack of faith in sprays, but you can also get inappropriate hormone production from the adrenals too.

I'd suggest speaking to a lab about oestrogen titres and SHAP testing if the owner is interested in investigation.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 00:49:26 GMT

Oh lor'......... forty years ago, Bob Martin's Anti-Mate spray ( Anti-Mate tablets too....... much cheaper than Ovarid of course)......... what usually happened was that the neighbourhood Lotharios quickly associated the odour with bitches on heat and pursued them all the more.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Louise Buckley — Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:58:56 GMT

http://www.bactonature.com/bitchspray.html

This is one of the sprays. There are various versions of this product. I believe you can buy it in Pets at Home (or one of the versions anyway). Absolutely no idea if they work or not.

Re: Males attracted to neutered male

Vikki Halliday LLB — Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:48:07 GMT

I've seen this a few times, and it is always in neutered males, and seems to be unrelated to anything clinical.

I suspect they just don't smell like entire males, and therefore any entire male might mistake the lack of male pheromone for a female.