Examination forms

Re: Examination forms

Roberta Prina — Thu, 13 May 2010 11:53:17 GMT

Thanks, Adrienne. I am not a vin member but I know someone who is. I'll see if I can have a look in it.

Re: Examination forms

Adrienne McPartland — Wed, 12 May 2010 21:56:47 GMT

I don't know if you are a member of VIN (Veterinary information network), don't know if I can post the website but sure I'll post it anyway and if I out of line some moderator will remove it, www.vin.com. They have a massive number of forms and charts etc which you can download.

Re: Examination forms

Roberta Prina — Wed, 12 May 2010 18:09:38 GMT

[quote user="Peter Ding"]

Is it not best to devise your own, so as to follow your normal train of thought?

Although what owners feed their dogs is often a good opener.,..... as in .. "She's got a lovely coat, what do you feed her?" etc

[/quote]

I'll keep it in mind!

Re: Examination forms

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:48 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]But is it the correct answer [/quote]

Maybe it's a Yorkshire thing.

me: what can we do for you today [not normally so polite]

farmer [with sheepdog]: you tell me, you're the Vet

me: what's she doing?

farmer: she's not herself

me: in what way?

farmer: just isn't

at this point I borrow a head banging smilie off the internet and start on the closed questions or I'd still be there now

Re: Examination forms

Peter Ding — Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:56 GMT

Is it not best to devise your own, so as to follow your normal train of thought?

Although what owners feed their dogs is often a good opener.,..... as in .. "She's got a lovely coat, what do you feed her?" etc

Re: Examination forms

Roberta Prina — Tue, 11 May 2010 16:57:25 GMT

Thank you for all the replies.

I asked because I saw a case on sunday and, retrospectively, I should have asked about the dog's diet. I rarely asked about diets because nowadays most owners use commercial diets, but you still occasionally find the ones that have their own ideas about what is best for their pets, and they don't always tell you! I thought it would be nice to have a list of questions to follow, just to make sure you asked everything you are supposed to ask, but I agree that time is an issue.

Re: Examination forms

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:50 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Sometimes closed questions are the only way you get a proper answer![/quote]

But is it the correct answer

Re: Examination forms

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:33:42 GMT

[quote user="Amie Glaves"]I think for GP, what is the problem, when did it start, how was it when it started and how has it progressed since are good openers. Do a physical exam and then ask more questions depending on the complaint and clinical signs.[/quote]

Have you read the VDS booklet on consult skills? We're not supposed to ask many questions, just let them talk until they are done! I tried it, doesn't work!

Sometimes closed questions are the only way you get a proper answer!

Re: Examination forms

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 11 May 2010 10:10:43 GMT

We were'nt given history forms at college-the difference is that when I was a student, many of our teachers had had a substantial length of time in 1st opinion practice, so actually knew what they were trying to teach us to do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I dread to think what the standard consult fee would have to be, if all the questions on Mike's forms had to be asked to everyone

Wynne

Re: Examination forms

Amie Glaves — Tue, 11 May 2010 08:42:46 GMT

I agree, most history forms are very long winded and you would struggle to get half way through them in a 10min consult.

I think for GP, what is the problem, when did it start, how was it when it started and how has it progressed since are good openers. Do a physical exam and then ask more questions depending on the complaint and clinical signs.

Don't be led off on too much of a tangent by the history though. Sometimes the problem they come in with isn't one you find if you know what I mean!

Re: Examination forms

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 10 May 2010 23:55:33 GMT

There are exotics examples in the BSAVA manual. Why do you want them? Depending on the initial complaint depends where things go.

At college we had 4 sides of A4 beginning where the dog was bought! We mostly a waste of time.