Incessant grooming

Re: Incessant grooming

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:23:35 GMT

With the rise of the Cult of the Celebrity, incessant grooming could well be due to the camera in the room.

Happy Christmas to everybody.

Re: Incessant grooming

James Allsop — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:34:21 GMT

[quote user="sophia guymer"]off subject, but our practice has only recently changed over to advocate (from frontline and milbemax) and the rep warned us not to use advocate and milbemax in the same animal! When on advocate they only need droncit? (for tapeworm)[/quote]

we have done the same thing and was also very cautious, our official line is to use these products separately - duration of advocate is approx 30 days, milbemax should be at negligable levels after 7 days. This was the official advice from both Bayer and Novartis after speaking to their technical vets. They were very cagey about givany any advice at all about the other companies products though. Unofficially they and their reps both suggested that most practices dont bother to warn people as both drugs have been tested at 5x standard level with minimal toxicity. I still warn people or use alternative wormer such as droncit or profender.

Re: Incessant grooming

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:47:28 GMT

Same class of drug Be extra careful if a collie (I know yours is a cat )

Wynne

Re: Incessant grooming

sophia guymer — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:02:50 GMT

[quote user="Adrienne McPartland"] Is it because of a drug interaction, drug company wanting to sell their product [/quote]

We were told it was due to drug interaction, apparently (I have not checked, very naughty) it states it in the product details of the advocate.

She did say that she knows of several practices where they have been giving both together for a long time and not had any probs but still strongly advices against it and above mentioned practices did change their protocol when told.

Sophia

Re: Incessant grooming

Adrienne McPartland — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:25:29 GMT

Really ?

This is the protocol that the veterinary practices use that I've seen practice with. Is it because of a drug interaction, drug company wanting to sell their product or to do with over dosing?

Re: Incessant grooming

sophia guymer — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:20:16 GMT

[quote user="Adrienne McPartland"]and she is up to date with monthly advocate and Milbemax every 3 months[/quote]

off subject, but our practice has only recently changed over to advocate (from frontline and milbemax) and the rep warned us not to use advocate and milbemax in the same animal! When on advocate they only need droncit? (for tapeworm)

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but just thought I'd mention it.

Sophia

Re: Incessant grooming

Rosie_Skinner — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:38:47 GMT

good plan, often as well cats and dogs with sensitive guts also have sensitive skin, so you might need to try zd or something even more hypoallergenic if bloods and urine all ok. Hope she gets well soon!

Rosie

Re: Incessant grooming

Adrienne McPartland — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:29 GMT

Thank you for the reply.

I checked her for fleas, she doesnt have any, and she is up to date with monthly advocate and Milbemax every 3 months. Her skin is not scabby at all and the hair is fine, definitely not thin. If anything I would say I have noticed her put on weight recently, Im not at home all that much during the college week but I know she does eat a lot, regular cat food and also cooked roast chicken most days! She does have some dietary intolerances, she is kept on the same brand and flavour of food to minimise these, otherwise she tends to vomit any food that is different back up. But this has been a problem for years, once she is kept on her normal food she is fine.

I didn't think of cystitis, that does make sense now that it has been mentioned. With her age, renal insufficiency is very probable and just not been picked up yet. She urinates in a litter box and its usually dried up by the time I ever get to see it. Havent noticed any abnormaliites visually in her urine anyway.

Probably is time we brought her for some bloods and a U/A.

Re: Incessant grooming

Rosie_Skinner — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:25:19 GMT

Hi adrienne,

I'm not a dermatologist, but I'll hazard some suggestions! She's quite old to have an allergy, but if she has always been 'particular' it might mean she has always been subclinically pruritic (itchy cats tend to overgroom rather than tear themselves to pieces like dogs, although some can seriously traumatise themselves) and this might have escalated recently. Definately check her very thoroughly for fleas or make sure you are using advocate or stronghold monthly. Also I'd advise you to get a basic biochem test and t4 level (this will also help if you end up putting her on glucocorticoids!), might be worth trying a food trial with a hypoallergenic diet (as I said before she is old for this, but if she has always been itchy it's a possibility) . Stress related grooming is a possibility, but most cases of this are due to an allergy probably. Some cats will overgroom their ventrum with lower urinary tract problems, and cystitis is certainly more common if she has renal insufficiency (which could be picked up on urine and blood tests).

Does she have any scabs? does her skin seem thin?

Hope this helps you a bit

Rosie