Dog Vaccinations

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Nigel Davies — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:37:17 GMT

Interesting article on this very topic: www.statnews.com/.../

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Beats — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:27:31 GMT

[quote userid="6550" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29587/dog-vaccinations/227670#227670"]WSAVA guidelines. I restart if six months late[/quote]

I assume we're on dogs and referring to the lepto bit. [I think a dose of MLV DHP at any time as an adult suffices for many years protection?*]

I'm a bit vague on this currently.

I'd always been of belief that as long as had had 2 x lepto jabs 2-6 weeks apart of same type of lepto vaccine at some point in life, then a single jab suffices to restore immunity at any stage.

I tried to find where this belief had come from. I thought it was WSAVA Guidelines 2007. Here's what I found:

WSAVA Guidlines 2016

"65. When an animal first receives a vaccine that requires two doses to immunize (e.g. killed vaccines like Leptospira bacterins or feline leukaemia virus), and it does not return for the second dose within Ä6 weeks, is there any immunity?

No. A single dose of a two-dose vaccine does not provide immunity. The first dose is for priming the immune system, the second for immunizing. If a second dose is not given within 6 weeks of the first, the regime should start again, making sure the two doses are given within 2–6 weeks. After those two doses, revaccination with a single dose can be done at yearly or greater intervals to boost the response"

Seems vaguer than I remembered... not sure if wording changed from 2007 version (I checked the 2010 matches the 2016 and I don't seem to have an electronic version of the 2007 to check my memory out... now where did I put that hard copy...) or I just read into that a clear recommendation that perhaps wasn't there?

*[also, at risk of muddling a post on 2 separate questions... re DHP MLV in adult:

"45. If an animal has gone beyond the time that is generally considered to be the minimum DOI for the core vaccine (7 to 9 years for CDV, CPV‐2, CAV‐2; 7 years for FPV, FCV, FHV‐1), do I have to start the series of vaccinations again (multiple doses 2–4 weeks apart)?

No. For MLV vaccines, multiple doses are only required at the puppy or kitten age, when an animal has MDA. The VGG is aware that many data sheets do advise re‐starting a vaccination series, but does not endorse this practice which is inconsistent with fundamental immune system function and the principles of immunological memory."]

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Alistair Graham-Evans — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:13:43 GMT

Why be worried about interval between doses?

With Covid vaccine the trend seems to be ignore the manufacturers data and research data and just make it up! I know it’s an emergency to get plenty done but it’s novel technology and how shit will it be if retrospective studies show marked reduction in efficacy with 12 weeks or more between doses.
Apologies for digression.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Julian Earl — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 23:17:55 GMT

I must be old as well Joyce? When working in Burnley in the 1980s I would regularly see cases. Ibecame so familiar with them that you could make a tentative diagnosis when they walked in the door. Depressed, purulent keratoconjunctivitis and a gentle cough. My first part of the examination was placing my palm over their tempotral muscles. If ou cou;d feel a ticor twitch, then that would be a very poor oprognostic sign, indicating distemper encephalitis and a death sentence! I seem to recall seeing about twenty cases in vaccinated dogs inone two-year spell all of which were reported for which I got a letter of commendation for my enthusiasm , from the VMD!

Most significantly, the outbreaks occurred every 3-4 years, quite consisten;tly! Just as the general population's immunity waned I presumed?

Sorry that isall historic but maybe the 3/ or 4 year cycle still applies?

Cheers to all!

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Joyce Whitehead — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 22:19:55 GMT

Haven’t knowingly seen distemper for about 26 years, and being old, I used to see a fair few. Last ones I saw were an outbreak in an rspca rehoming kennels, several dogs came in after rehoming with chorea or starting with seizures. Also saw some mild ones with a cough (similar to kennel cough) but also a snotty nose and (to me) pathognomic severely injected sclera with the other signs.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

vetbl.locum — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:37:36 GMT

thanks

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Lucy Fleming — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:16:03 GMT

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Lucy Fleming said:
which all of the UK effectively is - we use L4)

Do you give the second dose exactly 4weeks after first?

Or is there some lee way ?

Rgds

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We generally give it at exactly four weeks (seems to be easier for owner to remember the same day!) but I believe +/- 2 days is "on label" and company will support up to 6 weeks between (don't quote me on that one, though, better to check with MSD)

RE: Dog Vaccinations

vetbl.locum — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 16:49:08 GMT

[quote userid="10320" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29587/dog-vaccinations/227669#227669"]which all of the UK effectively is - we use L4)[/quote]

Do you give the second dose exactly 4weeks after first?

Or is there some lee way ?

Rgds

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Bob Russell — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 15:09:15 GMT

We use Eurican but still go for full booster every three years which is in line with WSAVA guidelines. I restart if six months late which on the grapevine seems to be the advice one of the biggest manufacturers is giving at the moment. Anything over three months is discussed with owner.

Saw a distemper case in Norfolk at the beginning of my career and a rescue dog from the north of England. There is evidence that it is present in some wildlife so does come back if vaccination is stopped.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Lucy Fleming — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:51:05 GMT

As everyone else mentioned: leptospirosis annually if you are in a risky area (which all of the UK effectively is - we use L4), and DHP every three years from 1yr onwards. Kennel cough annually if needed.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Beats — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:24:30 GMT

not seen distemper (knowingly), but am keeping my eye out ever since there was a video posted on here a few years back that (Dinu I think it was?) identified as classic distemper in an imported dog IIRC.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

vetbl.locum — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:08:49 GMT

Not seen one for years until 2 years ago in a rescued Romanian street dog

Rgds

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Elizabeth — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 10:52:07 GMT

We do the same as Joyce. Out of interest, is anyone in the U.K. still seeing distemper? I’ve never (knowingly) seen a case.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 23:08:26 GMT

Eurican so primary course is 2 injections 4 weeks apart with 12 week finish. Full booster every other year, lepto multi each year. I'm in the bad habit of giving everything every year - it's what I do to my own dogs.

Have zero belief in over vaccination, I've seen way too many sick dogs from under vaccination.

RE: Dog Vaccinations

Joyce Whitehead — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:45:00 GMT

Hi Derek, we follow the manufacturer guidlines, so DHP at year one then every 3 years, and Lepto every year. We restart of over 3 months from booster (ie they get a second lepto 4 weeks after the booster). Kennel cough yearly if required.