Tubal ligation in cats

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Julian Earl — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:36:20 GMT

[quote userid="6297" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats/227359#227359"]d it have had an ovariectomy? If the whole uterus was left, and an ovarian remnant, then it might be able to get pregnant.[/quote]

Maybe so Thomas. Just a different kind of blunder!! Neither should have happened!

I am not trying to be superior or smug, honestly not!

I've made various mistakes in my career never this one, as far as I know!! So me = .

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Thomas Johnson — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:51:04 GMT

[quote userid="3685" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats"]Only asking out of curiosity as a friend has just bought a kitten from someone who’s cat was apparently neutered 3 years ago but recently became pregnant. Apparently they were told (once they found out she was pregnant or had had kittens) that sometimes the procedure can fail. The only way I could see this happening is if she had had a tubal ligation but wasn’t aware that this was done in cats?! [/quote]

Could it have had an ovariectomy? If the whole uterus was left, and an ovarian remnant, then it might be able to get pregnant.

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Julian Earl — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 23:00:56 GMT

[quote userid="7269" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats/227353#227353"]It reminds me that we had a client bring in a ferret hob that I had vasectomise a year or two before. He had lent him to a friend, and then on return one of his Jills became pregnant. We always keep the tubes in case, and the owner was suspicious he had been returned a differed hob, and on opening him it was clear it was a ferret who had not been vasectomise. All a happy ending thankfully [/quote]

Yes Joyce, On the subject of vasectomies I have done a considerable number of rams over many years and we always retained the tubes in formalin, identified with surname and ear tag number, just in case!! We ended up with dozens of pots over the years and fortunately never needed them. This was standard advice given at a Sheep Veterinary Society Conference and it seemed eminently sensible to do so and we did, every single time. . The financial implications of getting it wrong in sheep is, I would suggest many, many times more serious than with a ferret, but the principle still applies, surely?

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Joyce Whitehead — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 18:03:21 GMT

It reminds me that we had a client bring in a ferret hob that I had vasectomise a year or two before. He had lent him to a friend, and then on return one of his Jills became pregnant. We always keep the tubes in case, and the owner was suspicious he had been returned a differed hob, and on opening him it was clear it was a ferret who had not been vasectomise. All a happy ending thankfully

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

niamhjl — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 15:41:58 GMT

[quote userid="2457" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats/227350#227350"]Probably just a different cat. It happens[/quote]

I had a cat presented for spaying several years ago that had already been spayed. I got a colleague to scrub in and help me search, we looked for ages and the cat definitely did not have a uterus, we even identified the uterine stump in the end, so I’m 100% sure. The client claimed that this definitely could not be the case, as this cat had kittens a few months ago! It was an outdoor cat, and I’m sure she must have presented a different cat, I can’t think of any other explanation.

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 15:17:07 GMT

[quote userid="3685" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats"]someone who’s cat was apparently neutered 3 years ago but recently became pregnant.[/quote]

Probably just a different cat. It happens. Like the 20 year old hamster.

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Julian Earl — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 11:00:53 GMT

[quote userid="5012" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats/227345#227345"]

I speyed a cat where this had been done; both fallopian tubes had been previously clamped and ligated, ovaries and uterus still there.

The local volunteers were telling me that is what some of the local practices do. I don't know why.

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Hello Clive, As to why it is done, I would guess that someone has had a serious problem, a.k.a. a death from a haemorrhage after sectioning the ovarian vessels, ligated or not. The reasoning would be crushing and blocking the tubes would then be good enough to prevent fertilisation? That is my two-pence -worth! [ My bill is in the post!!

Season's Greetings!

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Clive Ansell — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:27:05 GMT

I have come across this while working as a volunteer on a cat neutering scheme in Greece.

I speyed a cat where this had been done; both fallopian tubes had been previously clamped and ligated, ovaries and uterus still there.

The local volunteers were telling me that is what some of the local practices do. I don't know why.

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Joyce Whitehead — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:25:25 GMT

We had a couple of cats many years ago that were spayed and both had only one horn/ovary removed. Presumably someone not concentrating. Unfortunately one had to have a Caesar as the remaining horn had a ligature round it, obviously not scarred enough to stop sperm getting in though...

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Nicola Cole — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 00:05:21 GMT

[quote userid="9239" url="~/001/veterinary-clinical/small-animal/f/misc-clinical-discussions/29553/tubal-ligation-in-cats/227309#227309"]It sounds all made up to me. [/quote]

Well yes, that was my initial thought, but wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something. The friend bought it from a friend of a friend (probably too many friends in that sentence for the story to be sound!)

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Dinu Catilina — Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:42:14 GMT

It sounds all made up to me.

RE: Tubal ligation in cats

Beats — Thu, 17 Dec 2020 22:27:09 GMT

I think much more likely that I would have gotten distracted and have only removed one ovary/uterine horn should one of my cat spays some day come in pregnant.

That's my guess what has happened here.

I think I'll bank the "sometimes the procedure can fail" line for a rainy day - really like that one. Somehow shifts the blame towards the procedure without being untruthful or getting bogged down in the specifics.