Live fleas on my dog

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Bob Russell — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 13:17:03 GMT

I doubt compliance has changed. People don't. patients don't but fleas do!

I do like the tick repellent activity of Seresto collars. I am confident it works well. I doubt there is much flea repellent activity.

How often do people tell us they have spent hundreds on flea products? A full consultation and good products suddenly looks very good value.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Miriam Lodewyks — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 13:01:48 GMT

I'm curious whether the recent increase in Fipronil failure rates has more to do with compliance, resistance... or counterfeit products coming on the market.

Heard Seresto having this issue too?

Thoughts?

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Rob Loxley — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 08:36:16 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]helps enormously on the compliance issue[/quote]

We found that by sending SMS messages monthly following up on purchases of multipacks of flea treatment that the compliance went up significantly

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Anthony Todd — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 11:08:36 GMT

I used to write the day on a label on Nuvantop and, when the fleas were present ask "What day of the week do you spray" etc....

Blank looks, as if it didn't matter... One manufacturer supplied little sticky labels to be stuck on calendars, to little avail probably.

Compliance is the major problem, or used to be.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:52:38 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]There is no such thing as a flea repellent - the relative force of a flea jumping is similar to a rocket being launched in to space so it is impossible to stop fleas jumping on the animal. They will be dead within 24 hours if using an appropriate product. The fact owners are seeing the fleas is probably because they are slowing down and dying so the product is doing it's job.[/quote]

Which (see original start to this thread) is exactly what I say to clients. I follow this up with all flea products work, it's compliance that's the issue. If you don't treat your dog/cat for 8 weeks there is a 4 week window when the whole cycle starts all over again so you are in effect starting that 18 month (life of an egg/pupae) cycle all over again

I also tell people to stop wasting their money on all this crazy environmental products, flea bombs, a marketing dream aren't they, how do they work?

I love Bravecto, it helps enormously on the compliance issue

Neil

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Anthony Dennison — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:47:20 GMT

I remember being told this at university so keep using it now..

There is no such thing as a flea repellent - the relative force of a flea jumping is similar to a rocket being launched in to space so it is impossible to stop fleas jumping on the animal. They will be dead within 24 hours if using an appropriate product. The fact owners are seeing the fleas is probably because they are slowing down and dying so the product is doing it's job.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Christina Smith — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:03:14 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Jose Monreal"]Bayer funded study (2012 -Efficacy of an imidacloprid/flumethrin collar against fleas, ticks, mites and lice on dogs) that evaluates the efficacy of the collar against fleas (and ticks)[/quote]

when applied perfectly correctly - how many dogs have a huge loose seresto collar dangling round their necks...

[/quote] I've see a vile infected skin due to an overly tight one. Old Labrador and nobody noticed the smell!

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Rob Loxley — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:47:30 GMT

when applied perfectly correctly - how many dogs have a huge loose seresto collar dangling round their necks...

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Bob Russell — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:16:51 GMT

[quote user="Jose Monreal"]

Hi.

There is a Bayer funded study (2012 -Efficacy of an imidacloprid/flumethrin collar against fleas, ticks, mites and lice on dogs) that evaluates the efficacy of the collar against fleas (and ticks). Its efficacy against fleas in 24h is 100%. I also find it helpful that of all the tested dogs none of them went on to develop Flea Bite Allergy - allegedly thanks to the residual larvicidal effect in the surrounding environment which according to the study lasted to 35 weeks, I think that I why I have experienced in practice mimics the study, and I often recommend the collar to clients with persistent flea infestations or FBA ( I do not work for Bayer... :-) Bravecto is still my favourite product to recommend (very versatile and increased parasiticide range) but Seresto is worth considering in some patients... I think...

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I have reported several Seresto failures to Bayer and was offered the loan of a flea trap! I have lost a lot of my confidence in imidocloprid.

I classify a failure as being any situation where a product should reasonably have worked. No swimming/shampoos/collar not too loose etc etc. I have had a number where the product should have worked but did not.

When Advantage first came out you put it on a cat and they walked away from a pile of sick/dying/dead fleas within minutes. Not now!

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Jose Monreal — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:52:06 GMT

Hi.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Edward Jones — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 08:59:35 GMT

Bravecto appears to solve any flea related issue pretty much instantly. I've never had anyone report seeing fleas within 3 months of administration.

If someone has an infestation I don't bother advising any environmental treatment anymore, just get an animal in the house with fluralaner in it. I think that whilst fleas can hibernate if the temperature drops, if the temperature is high enough they will be forced to feed soon enough.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Rob Loxley — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 07:55:50 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"] only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks[/quote] and the vomiting!

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Interesting, we got told to give on s full stomach to avoid this

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We still had lots, despite giving it when fed. Certainly seemed to be at least 5% of dogs and 10% of cats, in line with the datasheet but much higher than we found with, say, bravecto.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Mark Hedberg — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 05:12:18 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"] only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks[/quote] and the vomiting!

[/quote] interesting, we got told to give on a full stomach to avoid this. Only remember one dog vomiting, but I think he had a fussy tummy at the best of times. (completely anecdote, I know)

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Mark Hedberg — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 05:10:08 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"] only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks[/quote] and the vomiting!

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Interesting, we got told to give on s full stomach to avoid this.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Christina Smith — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:33:12 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

move to Scotland

turn the central heating off.

Neil

[/quote]and mosquitoes in Aberdeen now. So we are doomed

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:44:39 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"] only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks[/quote] and the vomiting!

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What vomiting?

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Rob Loxley — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:34:13 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"] only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks[/quote] and the vomiting!

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:44:32 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]Comfortis took about half an hour. It was a little spooky! I'd never seen it rain fleas before. [/quote]

Capstar does the same thing but has no residual action, so I can't quite see the point. A bit like Custers last stand, the first wave of Indians were repelled but what about the rest of 'em

How long does Comfortis last for?

Neil

[/quote] Lasts a month - only reason it didn't take off more was that it doesn't do ticks, so bravecto pretty much overtook it. Pity, I liked it.

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Neil Wheadon — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:04:29 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]Comforts took about half an hour. It was a little spooky! I'd never seen it rain fleas before. [/quote]

Capstar does the same thing but has no residual action, so I can't quite see the point. A bit like Custers last stand, the first wave of Indians were repelled but what about the rest of 'em

How long does Comfortis last for?

Neil

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:07:03 GMT

Comfortis took about half an hour. It was a little spooky! I'd never seen it rain fleas before.

Edit: autocorrect

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Neil Wheadon — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:45:46 GMT

move to Scotland

turn the central heating off.

Neil

RE: Live fleas on my dog

Anthony Todd — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:20:13 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"] Out of interest what does everyone else say to clients[/quote]

I learned somewhere that fleas could live for 360 days without feeding; probably nonsense but I used to tell clients or advise, if they wanted a quicker fix, to burn their house down......