Otic Amour and PMB

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Aine Seavers — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 01:39:51 GMT

More info. I was sent this extract.

The abstract was for a 14 day study 2012;the 2019 promotional material talks of 3 months control so perhaps more has appeared since but I too cannot find a paper on that claim.

Additionally there seems to be an option to apply with a 1ml syringe and rub in well-which seems a lot easier than trying to paint layer by layer.

Otitis externa prevention with OticArmor, a veterinary otic liquid bandage: a 14 day study in client-owned dogs

A. E. SCHICK* and K. M. HOLD *Dermatology for Animals, Avondale, AZ, USA;

KaysterConsulting, Belmont, CA, USA

This study was conducted to determine the efficacy of Antiarmor liquid bandage (AllAccem, Inc., San Carlos,

CA, USA) to control the signs of canine otitis externa(OE). Six client-owned dogs with mild bilateral OE were

included in this study. Inclusion criteria were as follows: clinical signs of OE including pruritus, erythema, or

exudate, presence of intact tympanic membranes, and cytologic evidence of increased numbers of

Malassezia and/or bacteria. After otoscopic examination, clinical signs (pruritus, erythema, and exudates) were scored

from 0 to 3, with 0 = no signs, 1 = mild, 2 = moder-ate, and 3 = marked. Roll swabs were then taken from

both ears and stained with Wright’s stain. Malassezia and bacterial counts were averaged for 10 high power

fields (HPFs). Both ears were first cleaned with a standard flushing solution, then thoroughly rinsed with

saline and dried. Subsequently, OticArmor was applied to the right ear, while the left ear was left as a control.

Fourteen days following application, clinical scores and cytology were evaluated. Clinical scores and

Malassezia /bacterial counts were compared between the control ear

and OticArmor treated ear.

A significant reduction (P< 0.05 paired two-tailedt-test) in overall clinical

scores of 37% was observed in the OticArmor treated ear compared to the control ear at day 14. Individual scores

were reduced by 67% for pruritus, 22% for erythema, 43% for exudate, 24% for Malassezia , 56% for cocci,

and 41% for rods. This study supports the use of OticArmor for controlling the signs of mild canine OE.

Funding: AllAccem, Inc. Conflict of interest:A Schick and K Hold are AllAccem

Inc. consultants.

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

bob lehner — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:16:35 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]I and I suspect many others spotted no nuance in the title and we really don't want it pointed out[/quote]

Errm - it wasn't actually me that pointed it out....but I also thought it was a faintly amusing typo (as apparently did the original author).

So sorry for any distress caused to the more serious-minded readers of these august pages.

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:21:02 GMT

With respect Bob, this kills a sensible discussion stone dead.

This has no part in a clinical forum.

I and I suspect many others spotted no nuance in the title and we really don't want it pointed out

Sorry to be a prude, but there you go

Neil

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

bob lehner — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:25:15 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]I do think your typo in the title would be an even better name, though it does sound like a euphemism for an unusual bedroom activity.....[/quote]

Aural sex?

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Yantha Smyth — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:43:02 GMT

In my patient no treatment was possible unless sedated, so all treatments were done this way, which also allowed exam and cytology. The dog was not aggressive, it just flew into a frenzied panic the second you went near its head no matter how patient you were, which is also why the owners had not managed to administer any treatment or even clean the ears at all.

yes, it took at least 3 if not four treatments of osurnia before cytological resolution; the first treatments were 1 week apart as per data sheet, then fortnightly: expected to only do two, and the ears did look better grossly at that point, but on cytology there were still heavy numbers of malassezia, so decided to extend to resolution- wanted it to be as clear as possible before the otic armour was applied since after that you put nothing in the ear. That was a note to self- if I hadn't done cytology two weeks after the second treatment I would have assumed it was resolved based on appearance alone...

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Anthony Todd — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:25:18 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]I'm afraid I have no experience with otic armour[/quote]

Nor me. I just wonder what happens to the normal, even mimimal, production of cerumen into the ear canal over time?

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Rob Davis — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:09:13 GMT

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]There is a dental product from same company on vaguely similar lines of applying that product at end of dental and getting effect for 6 mths [/quote]

The dental product is Sanos which I have used a couple of times. I haven't used it enough to have formed any particular opinion either way and unfortunately there is only limited published trialwork at present. They suggest using it on every dental case post scaling and polishing, but it's relatively expensive for routine use in every case, particularly without more convincing evidence. If I can be convinced of it's benefits then I may be more inclined to use it.

Sorry - going off topic already, I'll slap my own wrist.....

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Aine Seavers — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:03:25 GMT

Thank you soo much for that detailed reply. Could I just clarify if it took 4 trearments with osurnia (4-8 tubes) or 4 weeks? Do the vets apply it in clinic rather than have owners do at home?

I really do appreciate your help as no one else has heard of it. There is a dental product from same company on vaguely similar lines of applying that product at end of dental and getting effect for 6 mths and also a skin 'wound' bandage that dries on and falls off over time which would be ideal for elbow lesions etc where bandages cause more problems. However my main drive is the ear product so still keen to know more

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Aine Seavers — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:58:16 GMT

:-)

but it got you to read it...!

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Yantha Smyth — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:31:41 GMT

I have n=1 experience of otic armour, but as locum only heard second hand it was doing well and coming to the time for considering a repeat application.

The patient I used it on was selected because it was having repeated bouts (or persistent) malassezia otitis, and the dog could not have any treatment or even maintenance cleaning or examination conscious at home or in the clinic.

we embarked on a mission of GA, cytology, thorough cleaning, osurnia application, followed by sedation, osurnia 1wk later, then 2 weeks after that sedation, cytology- I think it took 4 treatments before cytological resolution, and that point used the otic amour. We also addressed allergic aspect and used pulse itraconazole.

from memory I found it a bit of a fiddle to apply- especially in the horizontal canal, but I believe they may have modified the application process now

RE: Otic Amour and PMB

Rob Davis — Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:11:46 GMT

I'm afraid I have no experience with otic armour - the description sounds too good to be true....

I do think your typo in the title would be an even better name, though it does sound like a euphemism for an unusual bedroom activity.....