Pet chicken with liver failure

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Chris Geddes — Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:57:08 GMT

Dunno. The author of the notes provided a table of drug doses and WPs and that's what is says under deslorelin..no explanation, but I presume there is some kind of logic behind it!

Keen for the new BSAVA backyard poultry manual to come out, which is apparently very soon!

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

bob lehner — Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:30:18 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]Agree with above comments. Deslorelin is on table 1 of EU37/2010 so is perfectly legal to use under cascade.[/quote]

Agree tho' interestingly Desrelorin on EU 37/2010 says 'No MRL reqiured'....but when incorporated into an implant it must be anyone's guess?

Just wonder what will happen with our current adherence to EU 37/2010 for FPAs and Cascade if/when Brexit happens.....

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Chris Geddes — Mon, 24 Jun 2019 14:39:12 GMT

Agree with above comments. Deslorelin is on table 1 of EU37/2010 so is perfectly legal to use under cascade. According to poultry CPD I've been to, getting an owner to sign anything us meaningless - they're a FPA, end of story. But this does mean that it has to be recorded in the owner's medicine book, and yes, vet has to determine appropriate WP. Notes I have from CPD recommend 3 months after effect worn off (so after recommencement of laying), but doesn't explain rationale behind that period.

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Iain Richards — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 08:43:58 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Correct me if I'm wrong (never used suprelorin in a chicken), but deslorelin is listed in Table1 for food producing species (albeit horses) so could legally be used in chickens under the cascade?[/quote]

Yes. You as the vet have to decide on an appropriate withdrawal period, which means looking at the pharmacokinetic/dynamics. However, if this is a true pet, never intended for humna consumption or egg production, you are probably OK. I'd get it in writing from the owner though

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Rob Loxley — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 08:26:23 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="jane alexander"]implant suprelorien. [/quote]

Food producing animal, you can't.

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Correct me if I'm wrong (never used suprelorin in a chicken), but deslorelin is listed in Table1 for food producing species (albeit horses) so could legally be used in chickens under the cascade?

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:31:34 GMT

[quote user="jane alexander"]implant suprelorien. [/quote]

Food producing animal, you can't.

I get annoyed with the changes in CPD with the RCVS treating us like naughty children, then every day someone doesn't seem to understand something as simple as the cascade.

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

janine redman — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 19:27:32 GMT

Interesting option . Any literature on using it in chickens ?

Thanks

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jane alexander — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:33:21 GMT

Ultrasound far better for diagnosis, and if egg peritonitis, not too sick and owners have the cash, implant suprelorien.

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:07 GMT

[quote user="janine redman"]not egg peritonitis, xrays clear of any shell [/quote]

Fair enough, may not be egg peritonitis....but you don't usually get any shell on rads with that anyway.

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Jill Butterworth — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:18:27 GMT

She's only got 4, I hate to say it but 'all in all out' would be ideal, with a mighty good disinfection of the house...

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

janine redman — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 20:10:15 GMT

Hin

not egg peritonitis, xrays clear of any shell , aspirate of transudate not exudate and just clear fluid with low protein

bloods indicative of liver failure and hypoalbuminaemai , hypoproteinaemia , Lowe blood urea , no indication of changes in white cells , afebrile, painful abdo on internal examination , still eating , some respiratory embarrassment

much to my surprise she improved after a metacam injection !

I am assuming liver failure secondary to something , possibly viral infection .

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:56:30 GMT

I concur...likely to be egg peritonitis. Poss underlying mycoplasma/chlamydia etc but cause becomes irrelevant really, usually best to PTS.

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Iain Richards — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:18:51 GMT

MOst are indeed egg peritonitis. How do you know there is liver failure there?

RE: Pet chicken with liver failure

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:44:22 GMT

Possible treatment options is the easy one. There are none. Euthanasia is indicated. Sorry.

As for possible causes: I've always considered, without any particular evidence, that these are mostly due to egg peritonitis, or just straight peritonitis. I'm quite possibly wrong about that.