Canaural out of stock

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Neil Wheadon — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:52:45 GMT

The cat I saw with Horners had resolved yesterday after 10 days. Under sedation the Ear Drum was intact

Neil

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Charlotte Marshall — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:56:53 GMT

Did the Horners resolve okay?

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:30:32 GMT

Good to know these side effects are being seen fairly commonly...I'll make sure owners are warned if I feel the need to use it again Thanks!

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:26:13 GMT

I don't think the tympanum has to be breached for a drug to diffuse into the middle and inner ears.

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KathW — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 21:30:10 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

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I’ve seen it used in one cat ( by a colleague) - it developed Horner’s syndrome which resolved after a few weeks.

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do you think this may be due to the tympanic membrane being ruptured and thus causing otitis media or actual toxicity related? Impossible to assess TM in some cats especially if ++ discharge and if owners don’t want to sedate and flush first?

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Colleague said the tympanic membrane was intact. Osurnia used off licence with owner‘s consent.

As I remember the case the Horners syndrome developed within a few days of the osurnia application.

When I re-examined the cat ( within a week of the osurnia being applied) the tympanic membrane was visible and appeared intact and looked normal.

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Neil Wheadon — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 21:21:48 GMT

Interesting, I saw this last week as well, day after given

Horners in a cat given Osurnia

Neil

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Kate Richardson — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 19:35:50 GMT

[quote user="KathW"]

I’ve seen it used in one cat ( by a colleague) - it developed Horner’s syndrome which resolved after a few weeks.

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KathW — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 18:37:30 GMT

I’ve seen it used in one cat ( by a colleague) - it developed Horner’s syndrome which resolved after a few weeks.

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Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 17:59:10 GMT

Like Kate, I've used it in a couple of grumpy cats with no ill effects.

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Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:04:59 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]is that true? has this been your experience? I’ve used it in a couple of cats where getting any form of ear meds in is nigh on impossible and haven’t experienced this as yet[/quote]

100% of cats we treated got Horner's (n=1 so we may have been unlucky, but not considered it again).

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Kate Richardson — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:27:17 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

The drug company says you can use it in cats but it may give them Horner's syndrome - it does seem to...........

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is that true? has this been your experience? I’ve used it in a couple of cats where getting any form of ear meds in is nigh on impossible and haven’t experienced this as yet

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 14:23:57 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

As Canaural is out of stock what alternative ear drops are people using?

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Otomax is the bee's knees.

Oh, and if you want something specifically anti-mite, Panacur suspension.

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Stephen Courtney — Thu, 04 Apr 2019 22:29:08 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]Love osurnia[/quote]

Yes, but sedate to clean and thoroughly dry the sore ears adds significantly to the cost. The initial paper published only had a mediocre cure rate. I would use it in selected cases.

The drug company says you can use it in cats but it may give them Horner's syndrome - it does seem to...........

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I thought so too, but sales rep said not needed, and since then have been using osurnia freely. Been happy 70%of the time

Greasy canaural does a brilliant job of cleaning ears, and I can always tell if the client didn't use it properly - something I take pains to tell them before they leave... after showing them how to use it

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Bob Russell — Wed, 03 Apr 2019 10:49:05 GMT

I have never needed to clean the ears prior to Osurnia. I had intended to but sods law was I had some really uncomfortable dogs late in the day or Saturday morning when it first came out.

By the next day it was blindingly obvious that sedation etc was difficult to justify on medical grounds. Even the wax that builds up in these red ears seems to dry up. I do give them a clean where appropriate before the second dose but not needed to sedate.

Meloxidyl, Loxicom, Prednicare. Prednidale are some of the 'newer' out of stock products.

On the human side shortages may be linked to it being more profitable to sell medicines overseas than to the NHS!

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 22:20:10 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Yes, but sedate to clean and thoroughly dry the sore ears adds significantly to the cost. [/quote]

I've used it very effectively in yucky ears. Start cleaning after 3 weeks of treatment, when they're not sore at all.

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Christina Smith — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 21:16:46 GMT

I had a temporarily deaf boxer after using aurizon. Presumably a perforated TM

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Christina Smith — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 21:07:10 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

As Canaural is out of stock what alternative ear drops are people using?

[/quote][quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

As Canaural is out of stock what alternative ear drops are people using?

[/quote] Osurnia ?

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Sammy82 — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 20:34:06 GMT

Do you sedate every dog to use osurnia? I certainly don't if they alllow cleaningcin consult. It does say in the datasheet that it has been tested using saline for cleaning only so that's what I use. I tend to clean very inflamed ears with saline only anyway as most ear cleaners really sting on broken skin.

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Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 19:58:09 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]Love osurnia[/quote]

Yes, but sedate to clean and thoroughly dry the sore ears adds significantly to the cost. The initial paper published only had a mediocre cure rate. I would use it in selected cases.

The drug company says you can use it in cats but it may give them Horner's syndrome - it does seem to...........

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 19:53:20 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Love Easotic. So much better than the soggy, greasy dogs that came back after a week of Canaural.[/quote]

Love osurnia. So much better than the head shy dogs that came back after a week of owners poking nozzles into painful ears.

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Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 19:33:20 GMT

Love Easotic. So much better than the soggy, greasy dogs that came back after a week of Canaural.

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Clive Ansell — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 15:28:30 GMT

[quote user="Beats"]Is use of a systemic antimicrobial of last resort in human healthcare really an appropriate choice of treatment for otitis externa in the dog?[/quote]

I don't know. Is there any evidence that topical use of Polymyxin B in cats and dogs contributes to antibiotic resistance in humans?

What would your choice be?

The same argument could be applied to many other topical ear medications, such as Aurizon with its fluoroquinolone content. One could exclude pretty much all of them I guess?

I prefer, certainly in refractory cases, to take swabs for C&S to try and use the most appropriate antibiotic.

Surolan is licenced of course, so its use is perfectly legitimate

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-462018&fromsearch=true#iosfirsthighlight

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Beats — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 14:02:13 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]Surolan seems to be the other one used first line in many practices.[/quote]

Is use of a systemic antimicrobial of last resort in human healthcare really an appropriate choice of treatment for otitis externa in the dog?

Even if you consider it is, do you think such use could perhaps be bad PR?

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Lindsey Edwards — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 11:05:21 GMT

i use oridermyl in preference

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Clive Ansell — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 10:12:54 GMT

Surolan seems to be the other one used first line in many practices.