Export to USA

RE: Export to USA

Rob Loxley — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:24:49 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]Seems the Embassy is practicing 'Trump-speak' - say one thing but mean the opposite.[/quote]

Many of the differences are between federal and state requirements, and the differences between entry and residence requirements esp re rabies in dogs.

RE: Export to USA

bob lehner — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:03:09 GMT

I looked into exporting a dog to the USA the other day - quite confusing:

If you go to the USA Embassy in London website there is a section 'Travelling to the USA with you pet', where it says:

" Cats and dogs do not require a permit to enter the U.S., they do not require a rabies vaccination either, as the UK and Ireland are rabies free.

You should however, get a health certificate from your veterinary stating that your pet is fit and healthy to travel. You should also contact your airline and the respective State Department of Agriculture (in the U.S.), to check if they require further documents from you and for guidance on how to register your pet once you have arrived.

For further information, please visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

However, if you dig deeper, some States do indeed require a rabies vaccine and Pet Travel Companies seem to universally suggest rabies vaccination should be done.

Seems the Embassy is practicing 'Trump-speak' - say one thing but mean the opposite.

RE: Export to USA

Rob Loxley — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:31:49 GMT

[quote user="Sammy82"]all they need is the vaccination card with all the standard vaccinations including the rabies vaccination[/quote]

Double check the link I posted above regarding what is needed on a rabies vacc certificate to make sure it's all there

[quote user="Sammy82"]Does anyone have any source that the chip has to actually be registered anywhere?[/quote]

UK law requires the keeper to register the chip of a dog, no requirement to register cats in the UK, not sure about the USA

RE: Export to USA

Wren — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:51:30 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

Out of interest how did you find it had 3 chips?

A vet would normally scan and the machine would go 'beep' picking up a chip and that would be enough.

[/quote]

I run into this at vettings (horses) relatively often - maybe a couple of times a year. Small heart-stopping moment when you get the wrong chip first, then relief when you scan again and find the one that matches the passport. But, as I always explain to students, it may well be far more common that horses have 2+ chips, it's just that if you find the 'right' one first then you don't look any further.

I know a horse who competed at Badminton (getting there involves competing at FEI events multiple times over several years, with the chip being scanned every time), and the first time its 'extra' chip was picked up was at Badminton itself.

RE: Export to USA

Sammy82 — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 00:54:30 GMT

I've just rabies vaccinated 2 dogs going back to the USA soon. The owner is using an export company and has double-checked the requirements with them, all they need is the vaccination card with all the standard vaccinations including the rabies vaccination and a fit to fly certificate nearer the time. I did question it with the owner when he brought in the first dog yesterday and he double-checked and that's all they require. One of the dogs does have 2 chips as well as it already had an AVID chip in the US and was given an ISO-chip as well before export to the UK. Our scanner can read both. Does anyone have any source that the chip has to actually be registered anywhere? Of course dogs now have to be chipped and registered anyway, but cats don't. I also don't see multiple chips being an issue as all we do is certifying that the dog who carries this particular chip has been vaccinated. The owner needs to be aware though so he can make sure custom officers keep scanning until they find the right chip. We wouldn't have known about the Avid chip if our scanner couldn't read it, but it might have popped up at customs when re-entering the states.

RE: Export to USA

Charlotte Marshall — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:57:42 GMT

We do a few for export to USA just use the old BVA template. It is basically a private veterinary certificate nothing to do with defra and any vet can sign.

I always get the export information from DEFRA myself even if the client has some themselves. I like to read it before I see the client and be able to be ready to answer any questions and hopefully show I know what I am doing!

RE: Export to USA

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:03:45 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] [/quote]

Out of interest how did you find it had 3 chips?

A vet would normally scan and the machine would go 'beep' picking up a chip and that would be enough.[/quote]

You are right, once I'd found a chip and it matched the paperwork I'd be happy, but my nurse suggested I scan it again, and again..... We had been alerted because we were suspicious about the client, it was like they were deliberately leaving everything to the last minute - almost literally, possibly in a bid to make me rush and not double check and APHA had called us to warn us they thought this may be an attempt at an illegal export.

[quote user="Nicola M"]Maybe the chip number that came up first was different to that on the rabies vacc cert?[/quote]

No it was the same - we were just suspicious.

[quote user="Christina Smith"]The last page on the pet passport is a place to record extra chips or other idiosyncrasies. [/quote]

I'm aware of that and if there had been a feasible explanation I may have just endorsed the passport accordingly but this just stank of dodgy dealings.

[quote user="Christina Smith"]Just sent a dog to China which was interesting. 30 day pre-export quarantine at home, streptomycin injections 2 week interval, and disinfection of crate with a defra approved chemical. It was a tick box exercise and all paperwork was in english only.[/quote]

I had one of these - it was a pain but a bit of a money spinner. This only applies to mainland China not Taipei or Taiwan.

RE: Export to USA

Rob Loxley — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 22:28:37 GMT

[quote user="emma o'connor"]we find that most of our clients who are moving abroad such as to the USA, Australia, Hong Kong etc, will be using a pet transport company to move their animals[/quote]

Interesting; here (a big university/technology city with a relatively mobile workforce) I'd guess about 50% organise it all themselves, especially to the USA

RE: Export to USA

emma o'connor — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 22:00:02 GMT

we find that most of our clients who are moving abroad such as to the USA, Australia, Hong Kong etc, will be using a pet transport company to move their animals, and that they provide us with a list of things that need doing in advance with a schedule for timings etc. We advise anyone looking to emigrate to do this as these companies are up to date with all the relevant legislations. We also advise that it is worth still complying with and having the PETS passport as if their situation changes and they need to return to the U.K it makes it easier for them.

RE: Export to USA

Liz Barton — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:56:33 GMT

- Always scan for multiple chips prior to vaccinating - usually just rabies.

- Get O to check with airline re: carriage requirements and fitness to fly cert (may vary how long soon the animal has to be examined prior to embarkation)

- Get O to check with the US/state departments regarding requirements as they will vary according to state.

RE: Export to USA

Neil Wheadon — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:09:09 GMT

Off topic, but if you ever travel abroad, check out https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice saves being conned (as many are) by fake visa web sites and that includes ESTA for the USA. Loads of great stuff on here

Neil

RE: Export to USA

Elisabeth Knappett — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:17:12 GMT

Also often good information from the embassy, tends to be the first place I look for info, have found apha not the most helpful with specifics. I think different states will have different requirements as well, usually a good quality export company will have the necessary information.

RE: Export to USA

Tom Ward — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:41:03 GMT

Thanks for all your help. Sounds like a confusing area, where the requirements are likely very small, but no specified official way of clarifying them. I'll issue a PET passport (may as well, will have fulfilled the requirements), and do a FTF cert if needed nearer the time.

RE: Export to USA

Christina Smith — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:22:11 GMT

The last page on the pet passport is a place to record extra chips or other idiosyncrasies. Fitness to fly certificates are only required if the airline stipulates them. Usually 48 hours but the owner should have that info, crate size and other airline requirements. The USA can vary state to state on rabies requirements. Intriguing that Defra is out of the loop. Just sent a dog to China which was interesting. 30 day pre-export quarantine at home, streptomycin injections 2 week interval, and disinfection of crate with a defra approved chemical. It was a tick box exercise and all paperwork was in english only.Owner was very sceptical.

RE: Export to USA

Nicola Cole — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:57:00 GMT

Maybe the chip number that came up first was different to that on the rabies vacc cert ?

RE: Export to USA

Neil Wheadon — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:24:33 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] The vet who gave the rabies shot hadn't picked up it had 3 chips. [/quote]

Out of interest how did you find it had 3 chips?

A vet would normally scan and the machine would go 'beep' picking up a chip and that would be enough.

Do you double check chips?

Interesting observation

Neil

RE: Export to USA

Martin Atkinson — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:54:00 GMT

As far as I am aware there are no requirements for entry to the USA its the airlines that require a certificate of fitness to travel.

I had a dodgy one last night, Chinese customers (not clients) required a pet passport for a Frenchie to travel to Taiwan. It had a rabies vaccine at another vet but only had a jpeg picture of the certificate and when scanned we found 3 microchips: the one on the rabies certificate wasn't registered, one was registered to a 'breeder' elsewhere who isn't contactable, showed it had been imported from Hungary and was 2 years older than the declared age, and the third was not registered either. The vet who gave the rabies shot hadn't picked up it had 3 chips. It has since been to another vet for a skin condition which is not doing well. I refused to issue a passport and APHA agreed. Apparently an export certificate has been sent to me but I won't be signing that either. Currently in discussion with local trading standards as to whether they need to follow it up.

RE: Export to USA

Bob Russell — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 10:01:46 GMT

I don't put any dates on fitness to fly certificates other than the date of examination and date of signature.

This is generally required by the airline and most seem OK with our generic one on headed paper. Some have their own forms.

I am happy to issue a PETS passport with rabies vaccinations there as the USA is a listed country.

RE: Export to USA

Rob Loxley — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:10:35 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]So I always get the client to deal with DEFRA[/quote]

Who won't/can't always give the client the information they need, see above, or for more complicated exports can't provide in a client-friendly format (a specimen EHC and NFG takes some deciphering for me, let alone the client). Even the pet passport scheme, I find, takes some explaining/simplifying beyond the gov.uk website blurb?

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]Its their issue not yours[/quote]

Or be helpful, find/give the client the information they need, and be sure to charge them for your professional services?

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]+1 for fitness to travel cert though. Thats all you can offer. Don't make it longer than 7d duration[/quote]

I'm not sure you can Certify that the pet will be fit to travel at any time in the future, just that it is fit to travel at the time of examination? How long prior to the date of travel the carrier will accept the health check being done is up to them.

RE: Export to USA

Mark Rowland — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:31:33 GMT

So I always get the client to deal with DEFRA. Its their issue not yours

You can phone them for confirmation If you like.

+1 for fitness to travel cert though. Thats all you can offer. Don't make it longer than 7d duration (is what a gov officer told me once)

Goodluck

RE: Export to USA

Nicola Cole — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:04:06 GMT

Haven’t done one for a few years but always used to be just a fitness to fly certificate and a rabies vac.

RE: Export to USA

Mark Rowland — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:58:07 GMT

Lets just hope there are no steel implants involved here

RE: Export to USA

Rob Loxley — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:55:38 GMT

From the UK, which is rabies free, my understanding is that strictly no rabies vaccine is required (see CDC website at https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/cats.html ). However with states requiring rabies vaccination for resident pets (all states, for dogs, I believe), we usually vaccinate before travel. Note here (https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/dogs.html ) regarding minimum age of 3 months (not 12 weeks) and 30 days before entry for dogs if vaccinating.
No titre testing.
We issue a fit-to-fly certificate based on the old BVA template, and a rabies vaccination certificate printed out on headed paper with the practice stamp, nothing more Official (see above dog link for requirements of such a certificate). Can't see the point of issuing an EU passport unless they wish to come back to the EU? Owner to check with airline re timing of such fit-to-fly cert.
Need an IATA approved carrier.

RE: Export to USA

Dinu Catilina — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:51:05 GMT

HI Tom

The pet passport is only for movement within the european community. All I would do is the rabies vaccine and give a rabies vaccine certificate and fit to fly as requested by their cargo or airline.