Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Iain Richards — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:49:05 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]It's speciesist (specist?) victimisation plain and simple[/quote]

Phew, noticed winking emoji there!

I sort of agree, there is species favouritism in conservation. Apart from the potential ecological impact of release, any "niche" species seems to attract all the wrong sort of folk. A bit like bratty exploiters, but worse...

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Ceri Gruffudd Jones — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 21:40:44 GMT

Thank you all for your advice. Booked in for Friday.

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Marie Kubiak — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:50:19 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

Invasion of the raccoon dog Nyctereutes procyonoidesin Europe: History of colonization, features behind its success, and threats to native fauna https://doi.org/10.1093/czoolo/57.5.584

For similar impacts consider the Lionfish and its release around Florida. There's no NEED for these species as pets, other than an ego-boost to the owners. A UK positive list is long overdue.

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That's why they are on the EU wide Invasive Alien Species list and must be kept in secure enclosures with importation, breeding and sale of raccoon dogs to be prohibited as of 2019. The only reason they haven't been restricted prior to this is human greed - their fur is too valuable. They are no worse as pets than domestic ferrets (and are arguably less likely to colonise UK habitat!) but no-one has the same loathing of ferrets for some reason. It's speciesist (specist?) victimisation plain and simple

Marie

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Iain Richards — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:42:51 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]Why not?[/quote]. Point taken about good quality care, but whatever measures are in place, they'll go wrong and another INNS escapes.

Invasion of the raccoon dog Nyctereutes procyonoidesin Europe: History of colonization, features behind its success, and threats to native fauna https://doi.org/10.1093/czoolo/57.5.584

For similar impacts consider the Lionfish and its release around Florida. There's no NEED for these species as pets, other than an ego-boost to the owners. A UK positive list is long overdue.

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:56:20 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]Why not? Under suitable conditions they make good companion animals and they are under far tighter regulation than most companion animals which can only be a positive thing. [/quote]

Absolutely, but the inevitable always happens...these animals are soon owned as status symbols by people who can least afford them and their specialist care. Bearded dragons make lovely pets, as do budgies, small parrots and corn snakes. But how many do we see that are owned by switched on clients, living lovely healthy lives, compared to ..... putting it politely.... people with limited understanding and finance?

In my opinion they should not be legally available on the 'open' pet market.

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Marie Kubiak — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:13:49 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

Why are these damn things still permitted in the UK?

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Why not? Under suitable conditions they make good companion animals and they are under far tighter regulation than most companion animals which can only be a positive thing. Certainly those I have seen have been well looked after, properly socialised animals that are treated how domestic dogs should be treated!

Back to the OP, I still vaccinate as for domestic dogs and discuss the implications of the invasive alien species legislation restrictions.

Marie

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Liz Barton — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:48:42 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]Sorry if I misread your post.[/quote]

Oh gosh - no worries - my post wasn't clear; the limitations of the written word when I'm banging the keyboard in a hurry

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:17:23 GMT

[quote user="Liz Barton"]Indeed Gillian
I was merely extrapolating regarding handling as they have largely similar body shape and I've dealt with a quite an array of exotic species.[/quote]

Sorry if I misread your post.

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Liz Barton — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:42:27 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]We have seen raccoon dogs in the past (they are a completely different species to raccoons Liz ) [/quote]

Indeed Gillian
I was merely extrapolating regarding handling as they have largely similar body shape and I've dealt with a quite an array of exotic species.

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:15:16 GMT

Well the law changes next year so hopefully they won't be around for long...but it always times time for the law to catch up with exploitative animal dealers..

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/other/raccoondogs

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Iain Richards — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:21:39 GMT

Why are these damn things still permitted in the UK?

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:54:33 GMT

She did...and here's the link:

https://www.vetsurgeon.org/uk/exotics/f/88/p/26016/182244.aspx#182244

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:52:37 GMT

We have seen raccoon dogs in the past (they are a completely different species to raccoons Liz ) but I can't for the life of me remember what we did regarding vaccinations! As it is a canid I have a feeling we treated it the same and gave it normal doggy vaccines ..but I can't find any evidence.

Marie Kubiak will know!

RE: Vaccinating Raccoon Dogs - advice please

Liz Barton — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:18:08 GMT

We give ferrets DHP but no lepto. Does Dr. Google or anyone else here have any wisdom about the susceptibility of Racoon dogs to lepto?

I've dealt with a few racoons and they're pretty quick to spin around and nip. I would try food initially and if it's tucking into treats I would ask the owners to hold around the base of the head. However, when restrained if the animal resists and twists, and/or it's back legs (with pretty chunky claws) come up you might be better off popping a towel over and holding the body down against the table.