17 kg four month old pup swallows lolly stick

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Sarah Keir — Mon, 28 May 2018 21:26:22 GMT

Just used the biopsy forceps on the thread, luckily the needle stayed on the thread. It was lovely thick embroidery thread in black with a hefty needle.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 28 May 2018 13:33:41 GMT

[quote user="ebedford"] I don't think we have one of those unfortunately...[/quote]

Seriously, although these things are expensive, I think you want to get every instrument that's available for your size of endoscope. It's so frustrating to see something but not be able to grasp it or biopsy it or whatever.

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ebedford — Mon, 28 May 2018 11:07:25 GMT

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Sarah won't mind me butting in. I found, rather to my surprise, that I could grab a needle very effectively with the three-prong grabber thing.

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Loving the technical term! I don't think we have one of those unfortunately...

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 28 May 2018 00:56:38 GMT

[quote user="ebedford"]

[quote user="Sarah Keir"]

Just removed a sewing needle and thread endoscopically from a cat's stomach - very satisfying!

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Out of interest, what endoscope attachment did you use for this?

We only have a loop which I don't think would work for this sort of thing, wondering what else is available :)

[/quote]I hope Sarah won't mind me butting in. I found, rather to my surprise, that I could grab a needle very effectively with the three-prong grabber thing.

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ebedford — Sun, 27 May 2018 23:27:22 GMT

[quote user="Sarah Keir"]

Just removed a sewing needle and thread endoscopically from a cat's stomach - very satisfying!

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Out of interest, what endoscope attachment did you use for this?

We only have a loop which I don't think would work for this sort of thing, wondering what else is available :)

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 25 May 2018 14:31:42 GMT

Once had a cat which swallowed a barbed fish hook. It got stuck in the oesophagus and I attempted endoscopic removal but wouldn't budge. Referred and it turned out the hook had penetrated the aorta, they tried to remove it by thoracotomy but the cat bled out and died!!!

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mariette asselbergs — Thu, 24 May 2018 23:47:22 GMT

I saw a 13 year old labrador which had had several enterotomies in its life and a laryngeal tie back. it ate a wooden lollystick. We didn't dare to make it vomit because of the tie back. Wait and see seemed risky because he might have less flexible/mobile guts in places. We referred him for endoscopic retrieval (we don't have an endoscope) and the referral practice agreed with our reasoning and retrieved it without problems.

Last news it ate a whole garlic bread wrapped in stiff aluminium foil......

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Sarah Keir — Thu, 24 May 2018 20:04:56 GMT

Just removed a sewing needle and thread endoscopically from a cat's stomach - very satisfying!

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Anthony Todd — Thu, 24 May 2018 18:09:31 GMT

What were the warning signs and symptoms of the ones that were symptomatic and required intervention and how much notice did you get?....

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 23 May 2018 13:24:11 GMT

Update ! Pup vomited lolly stick up , frantic race to prevent it from eating it again successful. Thanks everyone for your advice.

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Thomas Johnson — Wed, 23 May 2018 10:05:30 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]

[quote user="Claudia Niehoegen"]

Once had a kebab stick finding its way into the chest penetrating all sorts of organs. That experience does not lead to a relaxed w+s attitude... lolly stick should be fine!

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Yes - I've seen a small wooden cocktail stick perforate the gut - ended up embedded in the spleen - (did have a sharp pointed end).

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I once treated a Briard for pancreatitis after it ate a lot of food from a barbecue, it was particularly painful and was on a ketamine infusion, but made a full recovery. A couple of years later it had a CT scan at the RVC for an unrelated problem, and they found a wooden kebab stick free in its abdomen! Lolly stick should be fine though.

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bob lehner — Wed, 23 May 2018 09:36:08 GMT

[quote user="Claudia Niehoegen"]

Once had a kebab stick finding its way into the chest penetrating all sorts of organs. That experience does not lead to a relaxed w+s attitude... lolly stick should be fine!

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Yes - I've seen a small wooden cocktail stick perforate the gut - ended up embedded in the spleen - (did have a sharp pointed end).

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Julie Innes — Tue, 22 May 2018 16:51:47 GMT

Another wait and see here! I've seen a beagle pass a teaspoon, and a Springer pass a snooker ball (albeit not a full sized one!)

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Claudia Niehoegen — Mon, 21 May 2018 23:20:38 GMT

Once had a kebab stick finding its way into the chest penetrating all sorts of organs. That experience does not lead to a relaxed w+s attitude... lolly stick should be fine!

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Kate Richardson — Mon, 21 May 2018 22:52:53 GMT

[quote user="Richard Carter"]

My own labrador did the sword swallowing trick with a kebab and intact pointed wooden stick as he gulped it down to avoid me grabbing it and it passed in a lovely encased solid faeces. Didn't even cause diarrhoea.

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gosh I’m not sure I’d have been so ‘brave’ with a kebab stick - lolly stick yes

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David Mills — Mon, 21 May 2018 22:20:51 GMT

Wait and see. Amazing what will pass, if not, usually very little lost.

And... 17kg?! Will definitely go through.

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Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 21 May 2018 21:31:10 GMT

My 9 month old cocker did similar and we made her sick with xylazine and she brought it back up.

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Richard Carter — Mon, 21 May 2018 20:10:16 GMT

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Rob Davis — Mon, 21 May 2018 18:21:08 GMT

I would definitely advise wait and see - it's amazing what dogs can pass without mishap!

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Miriam Lodewyks — Mon, 21 May 2018 18:16:01 GMT

I too would wait and see, perhaps prescribe some Lactulose to help move things along and advise to monitor stools closely for a week.

I agree that an elective enterotomy is only marginally better than an accidental one which may never happen...

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Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 21 May 2018 18:00:53 GMT

I'd wait and see.

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Mon, 21 May 2018 16:24:54 GMT

Thanks Rachel , it’s a tricky one because it’s a friend asking me and I’m sitting precariously on the fence . I think I would wait too even a gastrotomy under GA is not risk free. It’s quite a big dog and a small stick , like you say they probably eat sticks and stuff all the time , thanks.

I have given her all the info and told her it’s her call and to trust her vet

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Rach — Mon, 21 May 2018 16:11:17 GMT

I would wait and see.

As long as the owner knew the potential for, and signs of deterioration to look out for in case it perforates (I assume it’s your dog?). Ultimately you have to make a hole in the gut to remove it surgically, so although it might make you breath a sigh of relief to have the lolly stick in your hand it’s not a risk-free process. I also wonder how many dogs swallow bits of stick in the garden that we do nothing about because we are blissfully unaware.