PU PD

RE: PU PD

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:30:08 GMT

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]That's interesting. I've never tried green tea.[/quote]

I wouldn't recommend it. Though maybe I don't like it because I've been making it incorrectly...

[/quote]Green tea on its own can be a bit of a challenge although I don't find it unpleasant, but it often comes with lemon or lotus flower or similar flavouring and with a dob of honey is rather refreshing. It also makes you feel good about yourself that you're taking some healthy anti-oxidants whether that is true or not. White tea apparently is even healthier. But yes, both should be brewed with water off the boil and left for 2-3 minutes. Black tea should be brewed for 5 minutes to release the antioxidants but by then it may be a bit too acrid and bitter for some tastes.

You can even get electronic kettles that you program with what tea you're making and it heats it to the correct temperature. And no, I don't have one!

Time for a tea tangent?

RE: PU PD

Lucy Fleming — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:28:53 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]That's interesting. I've never tried green tea.[/quote]

I wouldn't recommend it. Though maybe I don't like it because I've been making it incorrectly...

RE: PU PD

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:59:06 GMT

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"]Not quite boiling for green tea, I was informed the other day (boiling apparently is a bit too hot). [/quote]

That's interesting. I've never tried green tea.

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Lucy Fleming — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:36:59 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]So by the same token will my tea taste better with ice cold water than with boiled[/quote] Cold brewed tea is meant to be a deeper, more subtle flavour, but the problem is you still have to drink an 'iced tea' which defeats the purpose as far as I'm concerned (also it's usually made with some fruity monstrosity, instead of a nice assam)

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Good tea is made with freshly boiling water[/quote] Not quite boiling for green tea, I was informed the other day (boiling apparently is a bit too hot).

RE: PU PD

George Cooper — Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:37:40 GMT

First results say "Scottish Deerhound" - yet the weight given is 16kg. Something adrift here... ... ... 16 STONE perhaps?

Secondly - has it had a change of diet recently?

RE: PU PD

Anthony Todd — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:12:37 GMT

Come on Arlo, these unsubstantiated one stars contribute nothing when applied to a sensible, experience backed, post.

Many is the time a polydypsic animal is found to be nothing of the sort when investigated as I've described!

Do something!

RE: PU PD

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:18:27 GMT

Good tea is made with freshly boiling water, not boiled water.

RE: PU PD

Anthony Todd — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:29:07 GMT

[quote user="Judith Archbold"]But you’re right, you have to check for anything that could be treated. [/quote]

Confirm the obvious problem first before looking for another.

No wonder the clients get disgruntled.....

PS In a dog which the owner and the vet says looks and acts normal, before someone produces a dog with some advanced disease.

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Anthony Todd — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:21:55 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]one for why boiled water holds magic powers. [/quote]

Do a trial, dogs prefer unboiled water and love playing with cold water from the tap.

We tried it and they do. Try warm or cold water out of the kettle yourself....

RE: PU PD

Judith Archbold — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:56:37 GMT

I think a lot of old dogs develop behavioural psychogenic polydypsia. They normally stop being PD the day after you’ve run the final blood test on the list and spent all the owner‘ s money! Then you’re left with a normal old dog and a disgruntled client. But you’re right, you have to check for anything that could be treated.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:29:50 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"] Boiled water only 'cos some dogs, and I too, love nice ice-cold water and only drink metabolic needs when it's been boiled [and room-temp or warm].[/quote]Well you're right about turbo posting Tony but at least this time you've given an explanation albeit a not very plausible one for why boiled water holds magic powers. So by the same token will my tea taste better with ice cold water than with boiled?

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Anthony Todd — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:52:22 GMT

Turbo again but what do you expect when the same query with, of course, the usual first-off bloods comes up yet again.

And the same advice: Boiled water only 'cos some dogs, and I too, love nice ice-cold water and only drink metabolic needs when it's been boiled [and room-temp or warm].

Accurately measure that consumption before spending the owner's fortune on an unnecessary work-up.

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onecarisma — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:28:51 GMT

RE: PU PD

Julie Innes — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:58:58 GMT

I have absolutely no evidence for this, but I see a lot of older dogs (my own 2 departed beagles included) that seem to become PU/PD, bloods etc all normal. I wonder if they start to produce less ADH as they get older (the way children produce less??)

I must admit with my own dogs, after a certain amount of testing, I just ignored it . Old boy was doolally by the time he was 15, so I was never sure if there was a psychogenic component to it either

RE: PU PD

Stephanie Wellings — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 06:19:30 GMT

Have you measured water intake over 24 hours at home? If its SG is 1.020 that does show some urine concentrating ability. How much weight did it lose during the water deprivation test?

I would try and quantify the level of PuPD first. If it’s not overtly PUPD then I might be tempted to look at neurological causes/orthopaedic pain. (And if very slightly PD then sometimes be behavioural - does it behave normally in all other ways?)

If it is convincingly PD then you could measure SDMA for the kidneys, check t4, and a BAST to check for liver function, then I would probably ultrasound the abdomen.