Does anyone still use Buscopan in cats and dogs?

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Julie Innes — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:03:57 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Or coincidence. This is why people think homoeopathy works [/quote]

You could well be right, Michael! But it is a smooth muscle relaxant, so there could be some effect on the uterine muscle?? Never tried it again to find out (probably just got better at diagnosing pyos! )

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Judith Archbold — Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:51:01 GMT

I use buscopan tablets for symptoms of “ colic” / “ tummy ache”... those vague borborygmi cases, usually WHWT or Cairn Terriers I find. 1 tablet twice daily for 2-3 days works wonders.

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Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:11:44 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"]As I then chatted to the owner, about 10 minutes later a deluge of pus flew from the dog's vulva, and she seemed far happier! So there's another use- it turned a closed pyo into an open one[/quote]

Or coincidence. This is why people think homoeopathy works

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Emily Rainbow — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:59:53 GMT

Anyone know why you can’t use it in cats?

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:44:04 GMT

[quote user="Edward Jones"]I have no idea why we allow ourselves to put up with it.[/quote]Erm..you mean you do?

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Edward Jones — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:31:47 GMT

Per ml, Buscopan 50ml (hyosine only) is 3.5 times the cost of the 1ml vials with vastly more potential for waste, and must be used in preference to the human drug.

Isn't the cascade such a wonderful thing to protect the interests of pharma's back pocket animal welfare?! I have no idea why we allow ourselves to put up with it.

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Julie Innes — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:12:17 GMT

I cant remember the last time I used buscopan, but I still have it somewhere!

I do remember using it years ago as a relatively new grad in a GSD with a really tense guarded abdomen. As I then chatted to the owner, about 10 minutes later a deluge of pus flew from the dog's vulva, and she seemed far happier! So there's another use- it turned a closed pyo into an open one

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Bob Russell — Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:30:58 GMT

Used to use Isaverin in the olden days. Dealt with the colicky discomfort without the ouch on injection. Seemed to do the same job.

I have found that Buscopan often stops the diarrhoea in its tracks - owners appreciate this!

Most diarrhoea in dogs is not infection so stopping it is no bad thing for owner and patient!

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Julian Earl — Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:46:55 GMT

Olden Days? I don't know what you mean! I was referring to colics in horses. I did not refer to dogs for NSAIDs. But only that , owners notwithstanding, I think that it is better to hospitalise the dog if it needs the fluids and let the stuff leave the body ASAP, not try to retain it in the intestines where toxins etc can harm the dog. I've never used NSAIDs in dogs with gastroenteritis for the obvious reason that you highlight. Sorry if that was not clear?

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:59:51 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]

I confess that I have never really understood the reasoning behind the use of Buscopan in calves or dogs. It might offer some analgesic effect I suppose but in terms of diarrhoea, I think that the logic is not to stop the diarrhoea but to let the animal use its natural defence to evacuate the toxic contents from the intestines. Fluids can be replaced but why prevent evacuation of the bowels containing pathogenic material plus remnants of damaged tissue? Such toxins are better outside the animal where it cannot be absorbed etc.

[/quote]Because owners for some reason don't like the dog shitting round the house every few minutes and it is a damn sight more convenient to slow the shits down that have the animal in on a drip when it gets dehydrated. I bet Tom Dumoulin wished he'd had some in the Giro!

[quote user="Julian Earl"] ..Even phenybutazone/Tomanol if still available, or Ketofen nowadays.[/quote] Don't you mean in the olden days?! Don't know about horses but I would suggest NSAIDs are contraindicated in a dog with severe GI upset.

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Julian Earl — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:39:24 GMT

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Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:23:03 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Edward Jones"]Are the 1ml vials hyosine only?[/quote]They are indeed: 20mg/ml Butylscoplamine (hyoscine). Good enough reason to use them on the cascade as I'm sure we can justify using hyoscine only. [/quote]

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-447474&template=template_printview

Licensed hyosine only

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:20:29 GMT

[quote user="Edward Jones"]Are the 1ml vials hyosine only?[/quote]They are indeed: 20mg/ml Butylscoplamine (hyoscine). Good enough reason to use them on the cascade as I'm sure we can justify using hyoscine only.

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Lindsey Edwards — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:18:49 GMT

I do use it occasionally, but tend to reach for cerenia first, should remeber to use it more maybe? Very useful for GI discomfort and stopping diarrhoea in calves and has similar effects in dogs but atings IM, can go IV with fluids and great at settling churning guts. It is very useful for stress induced stranguria also

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Edward Jones — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:43:13 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Edward Jones"]I stopped using it 1) when I noticed the BSAVA formulary listing gastric disturbances as a contraindication,[/quote] Doesn't in mine (latest 9th edition).[/quote]

What about metamizole, a component of the compositum? Are the 1ml vials hyosine only?

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Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:23:30 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]Under the cascade would it be appropriate to use the Buscopan 20mg/ml which only contains hyoscine but is only licensed for horses and cattle, rather than the Buscopan Compositum which is licensed for dogs as well, if you thought an NSAID was contra-indicated?[/quote]

I believe you'd have to use that rather than the human product, yes.

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Edward Jones — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:22:07 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Never a good reason![/quote]

Indeed! I'll look up the 1ml vials, thanks. I didn't know about them

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Thomas Johnson — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:09:16 GMT

Under the cascade would it be appropriate to use the Buscopan 20mg/ml which only contains hyoscine but is only licensed for horses and cattle, rather than the Buscopan Compositum which is licensed for dogs as well, if you thought an NSAID was contra-indicated?

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:32:14 GMT

[quote user="Edward Jones"]I stopped using it 1) when I noticed the BSAVA formulary listing gastric disturbances as a contraindication,[/quote] Doesn't in mine (latest 9th edition).

[quote user="Edward Jones"] 2) the large bottle volume meant a lot of 28 day rule wastage,[/quote] Why not use the 1ml vials then?

[quote user="Edward Jones"] 3) because it's generally out of fashion to use.[/quote]Never a good reason!

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Edward Jones — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:48:08 GMT

I have used the injectable a lot in the past for abdominal pain and for diarrhoea, as well as being anti-pyretic.

Although it's only licensed for i/v and i/m use, I had no issues whatsoever if my i/m injection accidentally became s/c due to patient resentment/fidgeting. Occasionally a little pain on injection but no worse that of amoxyicillin LA injection, better than synulox and much much better than cerenia. I never had any injection reactions beyond that.

I liked it because it's an anti-pyretic with no gastric contraindications listed in the datasheet, as well useful in diarrhoea and abdominal pain.

I stopped using it 1) when I noticed the BSAVA formulary listing gastric disturbances as a contraindication, 2) the large bottle volume meant a lot of 28 day rule wastage, and 3) because it's generally out of fashion to use.

I still use the tablet occasionally.

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Bob Russell — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:17:08 GMT

I use it fairly often but less so now that I know Cerenia has good analgesic properties.

Pretty much stops most diarrhoea in its tracks but of course these generally stop anyway!

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:14:05 GMT

I use it quite regularly for acute diarrhoea especially when there seems to be be some colic pain involved and generally seems to help. Occasionally dispense the tablets as well. Good for period pains my nurses tell me!!

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Rob Loxley — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:45:39 GMT

[quote user="SER"]

I remember it being on shelves years ago but then it wasn't used and we never re-ordered rather than waste money.

are people still using it?

[/quote]

We have some on the shelf and use occasionally; it's pretty cheap.

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Emily Rainbow — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:54:04 GMT

The vials don’t sting vs buscopan co injectable.

i use the tablets occasionally in dogs, those grumbly IBD type cases or severe colitis cases that are uncomfortable seem to benefit.

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Glen McIntosh — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:06:26 GMT

We stock the injectable and I will use it once or twice a year in dogs where I think they might benefit from a spasmolytic and visceral analgesic but otherwise dont warrant hospitalisation.

How do I select which cases to use it on? Well it’s mostly a gut feeling really (ha ha ).

Dosage is a bit of a guess. I tend to give it subcutaneously, and it seems to sting around about the same as Cerenia. Anything with demonstrable severe gut pain will get Cerenia and opioids.