Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

Anthony Todd — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:06:27 GMT

PS so long as, for a nanosecond, we get the full name before it becomes a cryptic T or FLA

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:01:57 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Another snarky comment![/quote]

No, for once justified I think although, as usual, he doesn't gild the lily.

What should it be called, seeing someone is so unhappy?

RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:04:08 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I have had a similar problem in a cat with the solitary lesion immediately caudal to the 309 molar. [/quote]Just had this cat in today and extracted the 208 carnassial and 209 peg molar. We'll see how it gets on.

A great example of Vetsurgeon.org in action.

RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

Matt Hilary — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:14:36 GMT

Many thanks for the assistance. I'll try to post a follow-up.

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Rob Loxley — Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:50:54 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]It's not a personal criticism but it seems, well, odd for an independent mind, professional etc etc [/quote]

Another snarky comment!

RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

David Mills — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:20:53 GMT

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Is this acceptable then?

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Do you mean the terminology? Well, I use the published term so that vets receiving my reports can go and search the literature for more information if they want to. Should the lesion have been given that name in the first place?No.

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So why perpetuate something that is inaccurate? See the thread on pyometra. It's not a personal criticism but it seems, well, odd for an independent mind, professional etc etc

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Lou Dawson — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:30:25 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

Is this acceptable then?

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RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

David Mills — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:14:51 GMT

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Histopathology always comes back as "inflammatory" (together with the pathologist's pet name for the syndrome). The nature of the inflammation in my opinion is irrelevant, the point is to rule out neoplasia.

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very true! My current pet name for these is 'feline oral pyogenic granuloma' which is a complete misnomer as these are neither purulent nor a true granuloma, but it's what they're called in a paper I reference (Riehl et al 2014 Journal of Veterinary Dentistry).

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Is this acceptable then?

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Lou Dawson — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:26:17 GMT

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RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:52:27 GMT

(I hate that term "gum chewer syndrome". Hate it. American invention. Stupid, stupid. )

Cut it off. That may be curative. If it recurs, cut it off and extract the lower 9 and the upper 8. If you can only extract one tooth, make it the upper 8. The occlusion may be subtly traumatic in normal life even though it looks fine on examination, even under GA.

I note there is significant inflammation by the furcation of 408 in that photograph, by the way.

RE: Feline Caudal Buccal Granulomas

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:49:12 GMT

I have had a similar problem in a cat with the solitary lesion immediately caudal to the 309 molar. This was extracted successfully with all the roots and the lesion excised as widely as possible with electrosurgery. As I would have expected tt healed uneventfully and was clear at post op check after a couple of weeks but had recurred 12 months later a few weeks ago at the annual health check. It was excised again as widely as I could without causing significant collateral damage but has recurred in 3 weeks. Both times the histopath has come back as inflammatory.

Presently on antibiotics as it looked a bit pussy and anti-inflammatory dose of preds to be re-examined in week or so,

I'd be interested to here how your case gets on or for other opinions.