Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Lucy Fleming — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:02:18 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]Even worse, most of them find their suffering "cute". Ugggghhhhh[/quote]

This about 1000 times! No matter how much anyone tries to educate, every owner seems to insist 'but mine is perfectly healthy, it's only the poorly bred ones which have problems'. The breed standards are essentially a list of medical problems.

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Dagmar Steele — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:00:40 GMT

I am so sick of owners of BOAS dogs complaining about why we can't fix all their health problems and why they have to pay so many vet bills. They bought such creature in the first place, now they have to deal with the aftermath, only they don't see that. Even worse, most of them find their suffering "cute". Ugggghhhhh

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:57:03 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Had a phone call from an owner this morning. He (dog) is struggling with the heat and had a bad night![/quote]Had some f***with with 2 French Bulldogs call this morning to tell us one had died overnight after running round like a mad thing in the garden. He added that the other one hadn't eaten and had been lethargic from Friday and wondering why it was drinking a lot. He was advised to bring it in but decided he'd leave it.

Same clients wouldn't accept one of them didn't have a cold when it was a puppy and the noisy breathing was caused by BOAS. They haven't got a clue about the problems they've brought on themselves.

Sounds like a good one to sack!

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Bob Russell — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:02:45 GMT

Nor do I!!

Had a phone call from an owner this morning. He (dog) is struggling with the heat and had a bad night!

Told them to go to B&Q to buy an air conditioner and install it to provide a cooler and less humid environment. We will try to sort his anatomy out later!

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:49:22 GMT

[quote user="Braden Collins"]At this point, everyone in the forum who doesn't have many breeder clients are probably thinking "ah, now I remember why I don't want them as clients".[/quote]I don't have any for precisely this reason, even the hobby breeders are a pain in the arse (mind you, come to think of it, most clients are)! I will decline to comment any further on Kirsten's previous post as I'm hot and bothered and want to retain my sanity.

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Braden Collins — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:57:30 GMT

At this point, everyone in the forum who doesn't have many breeder clients are probably thinking "ah, now I remember why I don't want them as clients".

Sounds like a great client to let go. You'll never convince some people that "normal for the breed" is very different to "healthy and should be bred from".

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Kirsten Simpson — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:21:48 GMT

Cheers guys. Yeah I know Liz Welsh, used to work at Vets Now Glasgow as an ECC clinician, she's amazing.

Owner turned out to be a bit raging. Dog was actually quite healthy for a Frenchie but her left patella was luxating grade 2 (the scale was provided with the forms) and she wanted me to amend the forms as she "Couldn't breed her unless she was a grade 0-1)" so tough luck she was told. I got another vet to do a second opinion and she agreed whole-heartedly that it was at least a grade 2. The owner then became raging and said she was going to breed from her any way and that the "rules change all the time as to what is acceptable for patella luxation". Her husband then piped in with "if dogs like her weren't bred from then you guys would be out of a job" which is an interesting standpoint to take when you're claiming to want to breed a healthy dog then become annoyed and told not to breed when told she isn't 100% healthy. Ach well! Will try and avoid doing any more of these in the future!

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Rob Loxley — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:39:48 GMT

For breeding purposes, I'd be very wary of genetic test results not taken by a vet who has scanned the dogs chip and ties the sample to that dog; this is a requirement of many breed clubs to go on any genetic register for breeding

As for nostril grading: if only stenotic nares was all the problem with these dogs...

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Malcolm Ness — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:20:18 GMT

Suggest speaking to Liz Welsh, soft tissue surgical specialist at VetsNOW Referrals in Glasgow. Liz does lots of BOAS surgery and has lots of contact with various clubs including French Bulldog people.

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:56:50 GMT

[quote user="James Dunne"]

A word of caution: I would advise that you contact VDS or similar before you put your signature to something that could be interpreted as a certificate of soundness. If your professional indemnity insurer does not recognise it then best to avoid.

[/quote]I would go further and refuse, this is too open to interpretation.

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

James Dunne — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:31:43 GMT

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Kirsten Simpson — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:16:52 GMT

Cheers guys. I was totally panicking that I would have to invent a scale of noses and breathing! The form was pretty self explanatory and was all quite easy, apart from getting the nurse to run around the garden with the dog whilst I watched! Yeah I think they said they were going to do the mouth swab themselves which is rather odd as they could swab any old dog and say it was theirs!

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

Braden Collins — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:01:02 GMT

I had one a while ago where the owner needed me to sign off on the airway of a Frenchie and state whether in my opinion the dog was suitable for breeding or not.

There was a bit of information to fill in regarding the degree of BOAS, but to my mind even mild BOAD should eliminate a dog from breeding, so signed the paperwork to that effect. Haven't seen the client back since.

RE: Has anyone done a "Silver Health check" for French Bulldog?

sophiematthews — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:21:05 GMT

Hi,

I've done of these at silver level. It was actually fairly self explanatory.

The genetic testing was done via mouth swab and the owner organised that herself - that seemed a little odd to me be she was happy and I didnt have to sign anything for that bit anyway.

The examination testing I did in clinic. the form she brought me was fairly self explanatory with grading systems and she also had the French bulldog clubs grading system with photos of noses etc for grading or nostrils. I did have to get her to run around our carpark for 10 mins to check her breathing but luckily it was a nice day and not raining!

Hope that helps.