Advocate and washing dogs

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Derek Lyon — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:27:01 GMT

Thanks to all for valuable input. Much appreciated. Regards, Derek

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Lindsey Edwards — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:18:45 GMT

All in one...apart from tapeworm! Depends on dogs lifestyle, feeding habits and owner compliance as to whether they can avoid them so would have to caution owners re potential to have tapeworm segments appearing!

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Emily Rainbow — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:28:46 GMT

oops I meant Spectra!

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Bob Russell — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:00:53 GMT

Assuming Nexguard Ultra is the same as Nexguard Spectra in the UK then it might not be the best product as ticks need to feed to be killed by it.

Lime disease in the UK apparently takes time to be transmitted therefore Nexguard Spectra should reduce risks. Some infections found in Southern Europe can be transmitted more rapidly therefore repellent products may be more suitable (3 hours for Ehrlichia).

Not sure where the paralysis ticks fit in as thankfully it is not something we have to deal with in the UK!

We use a lot of Nexguard Spectra and Seresto collars here in the New Forest and both seem pretty bombproof for tick control. Seresto very good for ticks in cats. Obviously Bayer push the repellent bit and Merial push the kill before they transmit bit!

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Emily Rainbow — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:10:23 GMT

I'm hoping Nexguard Ultra gets the lungworm licence then at last there will be a monthly everything in one!

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bevs2251 — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 23:57:57 GMT

Seresto Cat Only label claimed for fleas here. May do bush and cattle ticks but not licensed for paralysis tick, which is the major tick issue here on east coast of Australia. I believe people are using Bravecto for cats but off-licence and not sure of dose. MSD working on label claim/dose for cats. Can take some years to get label claim thru here in Oz.

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Rob Loxley — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:55:52 GMT

[quote user="bevs2251"]If only there was an oral product for cats for fleas & ticks[/quote]

Do you have bravecto cat? Comes in spoton for cat though I believe you can use the dog oral but at a different dose - best to check with MSD

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Bob Russell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:02:12 GMT

In the UK Seresto does have a tick claim. As the flumethrin is mainly repellent in action so should still be a good choice unless your ticks are much tougher!

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bevs2251 — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 04:38:30 GMT

Or Simparica (new oral one) monthly for fleas and ticks (and label claim for demodex/sarcoptes/otodectes mites) or Nexgard monthly or Bravecto 3 monthly (kills mites but no label claim like Simparica). Interceptor or Milbemax monthly for heartworm/worms. Definitely an issue with Frontline and possible resistance to fleas in Australia, + have had dogs with live paralysis ticks again 10 days after using Frontline spray (supposed to last 3 weeks) !

If only there was an oral product for cats for fleas & ticks (Seresto collar does not have a label claim for ticks on cats)!! Paralysis tick big problem east coast of Australia. Will be interesting to see if case numbers decrease with these new oral products.

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Neil Wheadon — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 02:06:05 GMT

1 hour, courtesy of a refreshingly honest Bayer rep (it's lipophilic)

Other pearls of wisdom

1) It loves organic material, so warn clients about dogs leaning against leather sofas and they recently had to defend a case where it stained the interior leather of a very posh car

2) Fipronil (bear in mind not made by Bayer) One dubious paper from Australia as regards resistance.

3) Fine to use with Seresto Collar. Bayer suggest now

Advocate monthly

Droncit every 6 months

Seresto during the summer

This covers the lot

Neil

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Beats — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 23:35:34 GMT

I'm starting to wonder if Bravecto could actually be a contender for the most environmentally friendly effective flea prevention/treatment?

Presumably by being protein-bound (at least that's how I asusme it lasts so long) there's much more limited insecticidal chemicals excreted from the patient per year? On the down side it is acaricidal? I'm not sure if significant metabolism and if so environmental profile of the excreted metabolites?

Of the effective treatments, what other contenders are there for environmentally-friendly flea treatments for dogs that actually work?

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Rob Loxley — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 08:46:41 GMT

I'm not convinced imidacloprid spoton is the best choice if you are bathing dogs or they swim regularly. From the datasheet "Brief contact of the animal with water on one or two occasions between monthly treatments is unlikely to significantly reduce the efficacy of the product. However, frequent shampooing or immersion of the animal in water after treatment may reduce the efficacy of the product."

Also "Advocate should not be allowed to enter water courses as it has harmful effects on aquatic organisms: moxidectin is highly toxic to aquatic organisms. Dogs should not be allowed to swim in surface waters for 4 days after treatment."

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Nicola Cole — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 21:13:04 GMT

I always say don't bath for a week after application (unless medically necessary)-I'm not sure that's based on anything scientific though!

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Stephanie Wellings — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 20:28:26 GMT

We advise no baths 48 hours before or after application