Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

Julian Earl — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:54:02 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Small hole gentle tissue handling.[/quote]

+1, normal next day with just thio etc, now they'll be on cloud 9.....

[/quote] I Agree with Michael as these being the priorities. Plus a single dose of pre-operative carprofen should help as preemptive analgesia. Years ago there was a paper in the Vet Record indicating it was as effective as pethidene.

Edit: for take-home it would have to be the small bottle of Metacam after pre-op meloxicam . No real difference in efficacy between carprofen and meloxicam it seems.

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

grumpyoldman — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:06:17 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]The worst are multi-income Asian households in a million pound house with the mother living at home and rock up in a Merc saying she's a pensioner! [/quote]

We also had the ladies of the night grossing 2-3k of an evening, their mentors, usually outside in the BMW on their iPhones too busy to deal with it themselves , and also several dealers and users, in fact one day a deal went off in the waiting room while they were collecting the cat. Well when opportunity knocks !.

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:20:06 GMT

[quote user="grumpyoldman"]Not fond of these neutering schemes . A few years ago the CPL spent 180K on a scheme nearby in two postcodes that had a problem . In that time frame we did hardly any private neuters but got paid 50% less for the ones we did. [/quote]They definitely pick up neutering that would otherwise not get done. The cheapskate owners who are abusing the scheme wouldn't have brought their pets to me to be neutered anyway, they go to the cheap vet up the road. Ironically even though he undercuts me substantially on normal neutering fees he doesn't do any charity work!

There is some abuse of the C4 scheme but as we self-almon it we by and large filter it out and tell them to take a hike if they're really taking the piss. The worst are multi-income Asian households in a million pound house with the mother living at home and rock up in a Merc saying she's a pensioner! But in the end I do subscribe to the point of view that it is better to get them neutered even if the owners are cheating than have another load of unwanted kittens.

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Maggie Sellers — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:26:45 GMT

Very true!! Timing never was my strong point - I appear to do everything either backwards or via the scenic route! Fingers crossed for a nice easy day for you but I suspect now you've uttered the expletive "Q" word that you've jinxed yourself and it will be manic. ;)

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Michael Woodhouse — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:09:48 GMT

Maggie, at least you waited until qualified to have baby number 2. Good luck with that.

All good with me, thank you. I did have to crawl out of bed at 6am to caesarean a cow so hoping for a quiet day.

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Maggie Sellers — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:55:54 GMT

Hi Michael, yep been a lurker on these boards for a while, thought I'd finally post something! All good here thanks, although my career isn't exactly the smooth running, no interruptions path I expected it would be!! Baby #2 due next month. Hope all is well with you!:)

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 20:23:28 GMT

My earlier reply was on my phone so I didn't notice the OP's name, or that they are a new poster.

Hello Maggie Sellers, how's things?

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

Rob Loxley — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 18:40:00 GMT

[quote user="Maggie Sellers"]Can I ask what everyone gives routinely as take-home pain relief for the cats that come in to be spayed under the £5 scheme?[/quote]

Same as we give those clients without a CP voucher; same for local dog shelter or homeless clients' dog neutering via Dogs Trust

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Anthony Todd — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 18:06:23 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Small hole gentle tissue handling.[/quote]

+1, normal next day with just thio etc, now they'll be on cloud 9.....

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

grumpyoldman — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 17:05:13 GMT

Not fond of these neutering schemes . A few years ago the CPL spent 180K on a scheme nearby in two postcodes that had a problem . In that time frame we did hardly any private neuters but got paid 50% less for the ones we did.

We performed the same total number of neuters. In the same time frame free to good home kittens disappeared and were replaced by kittens for sale £50-100. Interestingly because the charity was doing the neuters fewer cats were vaccinated.

Neutering vouchers became a kind of currency on some estates.

It also attracts the kind of people into the waiting room that makes you feel like nailing the furniture to the floor.

In all, 2 years later the feral and stray cat population is just the same problem it was before the scheme.

It turned out that the biggest single limiting factor in having your cat spayed in poor deprived areas was not the cost at the vets ,but getting out of bed in the morning and taking it there. Several of the "clients" would only have the cat spayed if it was picked up or dropped off by charity workers. Some insisted on taxi fare.

RE: Cats Protection spays - pain relief question

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 16:04:46 GMT

Cat spays don't need take home pain relief. If you give alpha 2, opioids, ketamine and pre-op NSAIDS they are as happy as anything when they go home. Don't reverse the alpha 2.

Small hole gentle tissue handling.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:57:07 GMT

Not sure what the £5 scheme is but we do loads of charitable neutering for CP and C4 at 1/2-1/3 normal rate. They would pay for additional analgesia but the answer is still no, I don't give it to full paying customer's cats. We've has this argument on another thread and IMO it is not necessary and so is an unecessary drain on their resources.

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:53:31 GMT

We don't tend to differentiate between charity and non charity spays; it's not really fair on the patient, I feel. We're donating time and money, in for a penny, in for a pound!