Bravecto for dogs

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 18 May 2018 10:32:16 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"]Having said that, I remember back in 1998 (??) when there was a recall of a flea spot-on called Tiguvon after a report on TV that it "killed cats". [/quote]I thought it was Droplix. The active ingredient apparently became detached from the exipient so if the cat's licked the concentrated substance if the owner put it in a place if could access, it gave them a toxic dose and numbers of cats were reported as dying.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Clive Ansell — Fri, 18 May 2018 10:12:28 GMT

I've just returned from a locum in Holland, where the practice prescribe Bravecto first line because they see a lot of ticks over there. No reported problems as far as I know.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Julie Innes — Fri, 18 May 2018 09:15:42 GMT

The problem is, people are more willing to believe facebook than us nowadays. There is a real element of suspicion and conspiracy in general in society today, I feel.

Having said that, I remember back in 1998 (??) when there was a recall of a flea spot-on called Tiguvon after a report on TV that it "killed cats". Lots of clients extrapolated this to "all spot-ons kill cats" and I had reports of cats dying after 1 dose of X- 6 months after it was given. To an 18 year old cat in CRF....

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Lucy Fleming — Fri, 18 May 2018 09:06:46 GMT

[quote user="Noirin Ni Shimidh"]I believe that one of the dogs in US 'Killed' by Bravecto had liver cancer- nothing to do with that then..[/quote]

Not according to several posts on the page! I saw one where they had 'only given the dog 2 doses, and now he's covered in knots!" - presuming they don't actually mean knots in the coat this could be anything from urticaria, to multiple lipomas, to generalised lymphadenopathy....

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Beats — Thu, 17 May 2018 22:06:07 GMT

[quote user="Noirin Ni Shimidh"]I had a lucky escape[/quote]

Dog with neurogenic KCS and xeromycteria presenting for first time. Fortunately I had to collect histories from 4 other clinics re its other pre-existent medical issues and treatments, and had no pilocarpine drops to hand. Otherwise when it developed serious, subsequently fatal, hemorrhagic gastroenteritis the next day, I'm pretty sure I know what and who would have been blamed (and understandably so, I would have attributed it to my treatment also had I actually given it). It was a sober reminder that coincidences can happen.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Noirin Ni Shimidh — Thu, 17 May 2018 21:50:34 GMT

I had a lucky escape with Bravecto recently. Owner phoned to express her shock that I would prescribe something that killed dogs and that she wouldn't give it to her dog.

Just as well, her CKCS had his first seizure that evening. What odds that I could have persuaded her that Bravecto hadn't caused the seizure if she had given the tablet.......

I believe that one of the dogs in US 'Killed' by Bravecto had liver cancer- nothing to do with that then..

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Mark Hedberg — Thu, 17 May 2018 17:17:29 GMT

[quote user="Emily Rainbow"]

no I actively avoid all *laners - why take the risk?

[/quote]

Just out of mild curiosity, is there a particular reason you avoid them?

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Emily Rainbow — Thu, 17 May 2018 16:04:19 GMT

[quote user="Edward Jones"]

From the Bravecto datasheet: "Use with caution in dogs with pre-existing epilepsy."

Do you use Bravecto in epileptics? Do you discuss this warning with owners of epileptic dogs before using Bravecto?

Just in case your blood pressure isn't high enough: https://www.facebook.com/Bravecto.dog.ill

[/quote]

no I actively avoid all *laners - why take the risk?

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Mark Hedberg — Thu, 17 May 2018 14:53:41 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

Apparently Bravecto in the US is only licensed from 6 months of age, unlike here; anyone know why?

[/quote]

I suspect it's because the dogs gain weight at a very fast rate in the first 6 months of life - if you give a 2kg puppy the under 4.5kg tablet and in 2 months he's 12kg, how effective is that bravecto for the last month? (Answer: I don't know - we don't use bravecto before 6 months of age in puppies for this reason.)

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Bob Russell — Thu, 17 May 2018 09:44:42 GMT

But Nexgard actually works as well in the real world! We have used it for several years now and not had a single problem.

So not really a reason to use Bravecto or Simperica. They all work well.

We did have a chihuahua that vomited after its first dose. Not since.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 17 May 2018 09:41:09 GMT

[quote user="Chris Milligan"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Anyone else hearing this?[/quote]

only every single time we recommend it

[/quote]My OP was specifically related to Bulldogs, not dogs in general. I have long dispatched the notion that L4 vaccines are a problem with 99% of my clients.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Edward Jones — Thu, 17 May 2018 09:29:47 GMT

From the Bravecto datasheet: "Use with caution in dogs with pre-existing epilepsy."

Do you use Bravecto in epileptics? Do you discuss this warning with owners of epileptic dogs before using Bravecto?

Just in case your blood pressure isn't high enough: https://www.facebook.com/Bravecto.dog.ill

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Aine Seavers — Wed, 16 May 2018 22:53:14 GMT

over 5million doses according to msd here when this scaremongering happened here-a tv show about to do an expose based on some owners personal beliefs pulled the segment last minute after MSD provided them with any and all data the tv wanted-and then voluntarily pulled the segment. No issue here. Has saved thousands of lives and suffering from preventing paralysis tick issues. We dispensed 1400 over last 2 years-only had One dog whose breeder said was sleepy for 2 days after chew given first and second time when rest of her dogs fine. I blood tested that dog for other issues as was a chronic yeast case for many years I inherited to treat one year later-dog has elevated liver enzymens and wbc probably from chronic skin disease which made it an issue when then had to deal with additional medications-but not Bravecto but the systemic illness that was trying to kill the dog. Nexguards flea pharmacokinetics don't appear to be as good as Simparica and Bravecto so another reason to use Bravecto.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Bob Russell — Wed, 16 May 2018 15:30:05 GMT

I just quote the great man (greatest man?) leading the most powerful nation in the world (other than N. Korea) - FAKE NEWS!

He does have that one redeeming feature!!

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Chris Milligan — Tue, 15 May 2018 20:20:06 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Anyone else hearing this?[/quote]

only every single time we recommend it

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rhmrcvs — Tue, 15 May 2018 20:14:50 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

Not really connected but as this seems to be a thread for conspiracy theories: I had an owner phoning around for an L2 vaccine for her Bulldog puppy because she's been told by an expert that the L4 vaccine kills them. She intimated this 'expert' was a vet but more likely the breeder or some other self anointed Google expert. Anyone else hearing this?

[/quote]we get lots of clients saying breeder told them not to have l4. I ask which vet school the breeder trained in. Thankfully most of our clients are very sensible and listen to advice.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Charlotte Marshall — Tue, 15 May 2018 18:51:57 GMT

MSD did send a letter around to vets some months ago in response to these stories about Bravecto. I got mine by email.

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Rob Loxley — Tue, 15 May 2018 13:45:33 GMT

Apparently Bravecto in the US is only licensed from 6 months of age, unlike here; anyone know why?

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Bob Russell — Tue, 15 May 2018 10:48:42 GMT

Probably because they have a veterinary profession that by and large speaks the truth and offers a more balanced approach to advice.

Clearly some events recently is putting veterinary independence and even honesty in doubt!

Perhaps financial pressures are having some effect!

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Edward Jones — Tue, 15 May 2018 10:43:01 GMT

In contrast, anyone who dares mention in a public forum that the well known OTC flea spot-on, made by redacted isn't be as effective as the manufacturer claims, gets jumped on by their legal team.

Perhaps it could turn into a PR nightmare, but I wonder why MSD's legal isn't more proactive about this?

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Miriam Lodewyks — Tue, 15 May 2018 09:30:46 GMT

I have just spoken with MSD switchboard and they assure me that every adverse event that has been reported to them wrt Bravecto and L4 has been investigated and thus far they have not been able to establish a link between the products and any deaths that have occurred.

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gdbvet — Tue, 15 May 2018 02:14:26 GMT

Bravecto great for demodex,had a dramatic impact on number of ixodes envenomation cases seen in Oz.Haven't seen any adverse sequelae.Dr Google should be struck off.

RE: Bravecto for dogs

Bob Russell — Mon, 14 May 2018 13:06:52 GMT

When I spoke to MSD they told me that there were no deaths associated with their vaccine but they had paid for investigation of some deaths as a gesture of goodwill but no link had been found with the vaccine.

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Miriam Lodewyks — Mon, 14 May 2018 12:31:49 GMT

Oh lord. I despair.

And note how they mention the 120 deaths linked to the vaccine, but no mention of the deaths caused by Leptospirosis. Not even the death of double Olympic champion Andy Holmes!

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Liz Barton — Mon, 14 May 2018 12:22:36 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Anyone else hearing this?[/quote]

Yes! L4 is apparently the devil's work according to several clients. You'll love this:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/report-lepto-vaccine-uk-dogs-dying/

"The Nobivac L4 lepto vaccine, which was rolled out in the UK by Merck’s UK subsidiary, MSD Animal Health, is reportedly causing adverse effects in the dogs receiving it, including epilepsy, swollen glands, blindness and death. [These scaremongers don't even mention mild swelling and local irritation; the most common adverse effect]

Reports say that since its introduction to the UK in 2014, over 2,000 reports of adverse reactions to Nobivac L4 have been received by the Veterinary Medicines Directorate, which regulates UK animal drugs.

The vaccine is also suspected in the deaths of at least 120 dogs. [note no reference here!]

Just like the stray dogs in the UK, healthy dogs who come in contact with lepto may never show any symptoms. The news is such a surprise to UK pet owners that even UK tabloids are carrying the reports. [must be true then]

In affected dogs, symptoms can include fever, vomiting, diarrhea, muscle pain, blood in the urine, lack of appetite and lethargy. In more serious cases, jaundice—a yellowing most easily seen in the whites of the eyes—can occur as the kidneys are affected. [genius]

And in most cases, leptospirosis is highly treatable when recognized early. Conventional treatment with antibiotics (typically Doxycycline) usually gives fast, good results and homeopathy is also very successful in treating lepto." [need we say more]

Bold emphases are mine.