Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

bob lehner — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:05:06 GMT

Yes it took me a while to put two and two together. (Then I bumped into her in the town and she mentioned the problem...!).

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Anna Battek-Kosiorowska — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:19:10 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]

No. Pigs/sheep/back yard chickens are food producing animals - even if pets. No way of exempting.

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Bob, ask your Mrs who that pig owner could be and if that person ever would take "no" for an answer...but I'm working on her. We starting with male piglets this Saturday. Small world...

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

bob lehner — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:00:04 GMT

No. Pigs/sheep/back yard chickens are food producing animals - even if pets. No way of exempting.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Lucy Fleming — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:17:37 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Do remember the fact that it is a pig makes it a food producing animal, limits the drugs used, movement restrictions etc. Don't fall foul of that because they claim it is a pet[/quote]

I was wondering about this the other day... not really with relevance to the movement restrictions and recording* but is there a way to sign them out of the food chain like a horse? Presumably nothing reliable enough.

*(though I think they can be transported to a place of medical treatment without paperwork? Or is that only in an emergency?)

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 01:34:39 GMT

Do remember the fact that it is a pig makes it a food producing animal, limits the drugs used, movement restrictions etc. Don't fall foul of that because they claim it is a pet

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Suzanne Kelly — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:45:51 GMT

http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/article/ovariohysterectomy-teacup-pig

Good luck! If they're very small ( 5-6kg) intubating them isn't that hard. I've used Stresnil i/m, followed by i/v propofol and not had any bother.

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/practical+sedation+and+anaesthesia+of+pigs.pdf

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

SMcelvaney — Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:07:58 GMT

Wild, obease beasts, running free range and owners surprised I can't sort it out.

Made me smile, that's exactly my memory of hobby pig practice!

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Anna Battek-Kosiorowska — Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:46:29 GMT

Thank you for all replies. I would say realistic but reassuring.

Hmm I never had much luck with Stresnil as well. When I was practising back in my country sow farrowing was very common but farmers were used to handling their animals and had pens and crates and all necessary facilities. I have been called to difficult farrowings in UK I think twice, to poorly pig again maybe three times. Wild, obease beasts, running free range and owners surprised I can't sort it out. It could be due to difficulties with a proper site of injection on wild and obese animal but Stresnil never made them more compliant. Last pig I had to help with had a bucket of apple cider and ginger biscuits. Off licence of course.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Andrew Chadwick — Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:14:09 GMT

I have done one - had a sleepless night the night before worrying about it as a colleague had had a nightmare with one previously but it didn't turn out to be too bad - I've had harder bitch spays. It was a young (5-6 months old, from memory) gilt and relatively slim. From what I remember the ovarian ligaments and broad ligaments were more substantial than in the dog but with patience and careful ligation there wasn't too much stress. As mentioned above, inducing with DTK i/m works well. Not had much luck with Stresnil ('the' licensed pig sedative!) and I believe it is contra indicated in some breeds. One really useful tip we found was the use of two small ET tubes - one up each nostril and cuffed, and attached to a Y connector - as an alternative to endotracheal intubation (which as stated above is apparently very difficult in pigs. It worked really well. Probably stating the obvious but doing them younger before the frequent progression to morbid obesity seems a good idea too - maybe gives an opportunity for a discussion on the importance of weight management postop as well!

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Iain Richards — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:24:58 GMT

http://www.pzpinfo.org/pzp.html

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0ahUKEwiBsdaP-P_NAhXM2SwKHd6ZDOsQFghSMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egzac.org%2FDocuments%2FGnRH%2520Vaccine.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEkkdylzaQ00IKRhxvd0nFBcJLCEw&cad=rja

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:49:38 GMT

I once Ceasered a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig. I used triple at cat rates to heavily sedate, then iso by mask. It went well.

The biggest prob was it was at a w/e. The nurse had major probs convincing the practice manager that the overtime claim wasn't a wind-up

Wynne

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Braden Collins — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:23:49 GMT

We did pig speys as part of our surgery classes at uni - we could still do non-recovery surgery then, and we couldn't get hold of greyhounds at the time.

The intubation was challenging but with a guide wire and laryngoscope it could be done. The surgery was done by students, so it is doable by most vets. Just takes time.

I can't remember anaesthetic protocols so can't help there i'm afraid.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:05:56 GMT

[quote user="Anna Battek-Kosiorowska"]someone else's uncastrated boar managed to jump the fences, brake the gates and lead her into the sin lol.[/quote]

Get better fences?

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Iain Richards — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:51:18 GMT

Look for an immuno contraceptive.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Anna Battek-Kosiorowska — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:32:04 GMT

Why spay? Well because mother of piglets was pregnant by accident. She was an unspayed pet pig but someone else's uncastrated boar managed to jump the fences, brake the gates and lead her into the sin lol. My friend won't stop knowing her so I would rather gather as much info as possible and either send her somewhere it could be done or do it myself. Shame we didn't abort the sow at first signs suggesting pregnancy. My gut feeling was the same, fat, fat, fat and miles of uterine horns but once you google it plenty of USA vets claims it is as easy as a bitch spay. Anaesthesia risk? Hmm, with 10 of them we probably going to lose one or two unfortunately. I have to discuss it wit piglets granny.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Bob Russell — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:19:08 GMT

One for referral to one of those centres pushing laparoscopy?

I do pity human surgeons who have to wade through inches of fat!

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Alan Tevendale — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:47:06 GMT

One of my colleagues did one and I think she still has nightmares about it. GAs in pigs are not easy to start with and from what I remember the surgery was difficult. Lots of blood and multiple vessels to ligate combined with too much fat.

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:30:50 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]why spay them?????[/quote]

Exactly; just keep them indoors, or in Kensington.

RE: Pet pig spay (No, not a guinea pig spay...)

Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:37:19 GMT

Erm.....might be showing my pet pig clinical deficiencies here but I can't help but ask....why spay them?????