Chlamydia and pregnant

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Anna Battek-Kosiorowska — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:43:28 GMT

Oops...it looks I had an unplanned CPD moment as well. Is it dangerous?

The only possible reflection is "Raw meaty bones anyone?"

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:50:04 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

OK, thanks. Can I add this to my CPD points?

[/quote]No because you didn't plan it. But you might get away with just reflecting on what you learned and how you will put this into place in practice! i.e. 'I'll tell that Persian cat breeder I hate that she is going to have to treat all her 100 manky, flu carrying, chronically chlamydia infected cats with 4 weeks of Ronaxan'. Porcine aviation is more likely than her complying.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Iain Richards — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:32:11 GMT

OK, thanks. Can I add this to my CPD points?

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:26:41 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]Aren't chlamydial infections likely to beceom carriers? No treatemtn might be better in allowing a full immune response to take effect?[/quote]No this is a misconception they are not true carriers like FHV but become chronically infected. A 4 week course of doxycycline can be curative. The problem is that in a multi-cat/breeding situation unless you treat all contacts then they will re-infect. This cost money so it doesn't get done!

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Iain Richards — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:15:48 GMT

Aren't chlamydial infections likely to beceom carriers? No treatemtn might be better in allowing a full immune response to take effect? I might be inclined to treat symptomatically unless there is risk to the cornea.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:22:35 GMT

The fascists advocated high taxation and industrial nationalisation.

I call those very left wing policies.

Oswald Mosely left the Labour party because he couldn't persuade the others to go along with nationalisation of heavy industry.

Anyway, there's plenty of other threads to debate politics. Return this one to its original theme

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:10:16 GMT

[quote user="Gerry Henry"]Only the left has the monopoly of virtue Wynne, [/quote]That's ironic Gerry as she is about as right wing as you can get without being a fascist, or maybe she is.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Gerry Henry — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:51:42 GMT

Only the left has the monopoly of virtue Wynne, the fact that over the last fifty years they and their socially liberal friends have beggared the country, turned the working class into an underclass to the point where we need to import skilled literate workers from elsewhere won't give them even a moments sleeplessness.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:44:03 GMT

I'm an idealist - I strive for a better world for animals.

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:35:39 GMT

Wynne, I feel that it is demeaning that you dish out one star reviews, I assume it is you as there is no-one else but myself and Marie responding to this thread at present (addendum since I posted I see Gerry has just chipped back in but I've never put him down as red star man however much I disagree with him), just because you disagree with someone who contradicts your views. Indeed, even if its not you, your views and comments are becoming so extreme and bigoted in many subjects that I'm finding it difficult to respond in a dignified way and may well soon choose not to. You may consider this no loss but that's your choice.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Gerry Henry — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:35:07 GMT

Thanks all for the input.

Stop living in cloud cuckoo land and return to the real world.

No, stay in cloud cuckoo land Wynne, we wouldn't have you any other way

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:30:58 GMT

I point out that if they allow unvaccinated animals out, and they contract a disease against which they can be vaccinated, then they are liable to be prosecuted, because they have failed to take all reasonable steps.

I don't actually report, maybe I ought, and I do feel guilty for this, but I checked with my solicitor, who told me I wasn't actually legally forced to report. This surprised me, as I thought it would be concealing a crime, but he assured me it wasn't - and contacting Royal College is such a hassle - and then they tend to sit on the fence.

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Marie Kubiak — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:00:25 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Read the Act

Wynne

[/quote]

Thank you for your eloquent response but I am already familiar with this piece of legislation.

The legislation means that "a person commits an offence if he does not take such steps as are reasonable in all the circumstances to ensure that the needs of an animal for which he is responsible are met to the extent required by good practice". This is not quite the same as your statement that "failing to protect an animal from disease is a criminal offence."

I ask again, do you stand by your interpretation and report and prosecute all cat owners who let their cats out and they then contract chlamydia/FIV, or dog owners who take their dogs to training classes and pick up kennel cough?

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:56:17 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Read the Act

Wynne

[/quote]Stop living in cloud cuckoo land and return to the real world.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:35:14 GMT

Read the Act

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Marie Kubiak — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:24:39 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

The owner - and if you read the Animal Welfare Act, you'll find that failing to protect an animal from disease is a criminal offence.

Wynne

[/quote]

This is definitely OTT in this context, I agree with Martin.

Do you therefore report and prosecute all cat owners who let their cats out and they then contract chlamydia/FIV, or dog owners who take their dogs to training classes and pick up kennel cough?

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:19:55 GMT

The owner - and if you read the Animal Welfare Act, you'll find that failing to protect an animal from disease is a criminal offence.

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:17:04 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]David will in his job have dealt with far more chlamydia/pregnant cats than most of us, [/quote]I see a lot of cats with chlamydia is this area generally and with a high charitable caseload/multicat rescue scenarios. We routinely vaccinate against this although I know many don't.

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] Not treating justifies prosecution - end of.[/quote]Who for the owner or the vet? As usual Wynne, a bit OTT either way.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:05:52 GMT

David will in his job have dealt with far more chlamydia/pregnant cats than most of us, so, although Experience based medicine, his opinion is well worth listenting to.

Not treating justifies prosecution - end of.

Wynne

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:24:17 GMT

You need to discuss the relative merits with a risk benefit analysis. If you don't treat it effectively the kittens will probably catch it from mum as soon as the MDA has declined so their sale will be compromised - money talks. Doxy doesn't have the same risk of tooth discoloration as other tetracyclines but its her call. I'd vote for treat - you can have it cured by the time the kittens are born but it goes without saying record everything and maybe even get a nurse in as a witness.

RE: Chlamydia and pregnant

David Mills — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:58:48 GMT

Have treated pregnant cats with doxy with no ill-effects. As you say datasheet says do not use because lack of evidence for safety rather than evidence of harm - not teratogenic in rabbits or rats. Might get some tooth discolouration but that seems it.

Alternative is amoxiclav which is safe in pregnancy. Quite a bit of evidence as efficacious as doxy but need a longer course to clear - usually 5-6 weeks.

Anecdotally, quicker resolution with doxy, and normally only require 2-3w course to eliminate.