Demodex: panomec and advocate

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Robin Grimmer — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 13:47:41 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"] Aludex is licensed but is pretty nasty stuff to handle.[/quote]

I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration.

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I guess I wasn't exaggerating then. See above comment.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Tim Browning — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:15:08 GMT

I have also found Bravecto extremely effective and cost effective and is higher up the cascade than Ivomectin, though below Advocate which I have found pretty useless. In fact Bravecto has produced some 'miracle' cures in adult cases. I hope it gets a license soon for Demodex.

Aludex is nasty to use, the fumes have caused a death in a human due to some reaction I have heard, in America I think.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

emma o'connor — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 08:56:34 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]It's a bit better if you give it weekly but that's off licence[/quote]

I believe it does actually have a licence for weekly application for the treatment of demodex. The Noah compendium says

'Advocate can be applied once a week and for a prolonged time' when treating demodex.

That aside i do find it still less effective than weekly aludex washes. I have yet to try Bravecto but the paper does seem to show this as a promising alternative. As for using advocate and panomec together i would avoid this for the same reasons as everyone else has given already.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Sorrel Proctor — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:40 GMT

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I don't know how effective panamec is vs lungworm but I'd agree that is might be worrying to use another macrocyclic lactone orally

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Sorry, I was reading the bit advocating ('scuse the pun :P) Bravecto and thinking milbemax, my mistake! I have heard that Nexgard is soon to be licensed for lungworm, although obviously wouldn't help cascade-wise for now.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:03:54 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"] Aludex is licensed but is pretty nasty stuff to handle.[/quote]

I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Robin Grimmer — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:58:30 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

I'd say you were on dodgy ground regarding the cascade - unless licensed treatments have been tried, and found ineffective.

Wynne

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That's an interesting one. I don't know how Advocate is licensed for Demodex because it is pretty poor, especially monthly as in the data sheet. It's a bit better if you give it weekly but that's off licence. Aludex is licensed but is pretty nasty stuff to handle. Daily Milbemax is effective but again off licence. Bravecto seems to be effective. Ivermectin is pretty safe so long as you avoid sheepdogs or test for MDR 1 gene first.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

ruths — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:57:38 GMT

I don't know how effective panamec is vs lungworm but I'd agree that is might be worrying to use another macrocyclic lactone orally

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:53:40 GMT

I definitely wouldn't give milbemax and ivomec together - sane class of drug

Wynne

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Sorrel Proctor — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:49:40 GMT

I would also have thought milbemax for lungworm cover if they're especially worried.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:37:49 GMT

I'd say you were on dodgy ground regarding the cascade - unless licensed treatments have been tried, and found ineffective.

Wynne

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Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:26:12 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]Surely if the dog is on daily oral ivermectin, than that will cover it for lungworm as well? I thought Ivermectin covered pretty much everything except tapeworm.[/quote]

I'm glad someone else thought the same as me! I don't think most parasites are going to be a problem....

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Robin Grimmer — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:25:26 GMT

Surely if the dog is on daily oral ivermectin, than that will cover it for lungworm as well? I thought Ivermectin covered pretty much everything except tapeworm.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Rob Loxley — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:18:44 GMT

here's the bravecto vs advocate for demodex paper http://parasitesandvectors.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13071-015-0775-8

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:31:24 GMT

You'd be more than justified in giving 1/2 strength panacur for the lungworm. Treatment course is 21 days, but I find (very high risk area) that a 7 day course alternate months is very effective at prevention.

Wynne

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Andrew Mellor — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:30:42 GMT

for demodex that is, then use milbemax for lungworm.

RE: Demodex: panomec and advocate

Andrew Mellor — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:29:45 GMT

use bravecto , one tablet job done its amazing!!