Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Bob Russell — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:35:17 GMT

The Bengal cats I know and have known (including those of a breeder), confirm they are just a breed of cat that has been created to look like a wild cat.

Breeders love to create the impression that their top stud cat had just appeared from the jungle. Marketing over reality!

Should an individual appear with confirmed jungle lineage then I might consider my position regarding PETS passports!

It is a cat, just a big one! Both parents were cats, grandparents were cats!

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Stephen Courtney — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:40:42 GMT

I fail to see how you could even contemplate crossing a domestic cat with a Serval ... they are much larger, completely different species and quite likely to view a domestic cat as prey.

You might as well try and cross a Cheetah with a Bengal....

FWIW many of the Bengals I see are nutjobs that spray, defaecate and claw everywhere.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Tom Ward — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:50:51 GMT

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So you're telling me that that the average Bengal cat is not now just a moggie? As said in my post in the other thread they must have been inbred for many generations.

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You obviously don't treat them regularly! I find them noticeably more aggressive and difficult to handle than other cats.

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I have some as patients that are absolute sweethearts. None of the ones I've handled hit the top 10 for "difficult" cats.

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True, there are worse cats. Bloody strong though if you do get one that misbehaves. The most aggressive and difficult to handle breed must surely be the Chinchilla Persian.

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Deed not breed!

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Martin Atkinson — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:33:46 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]You obviously don't treat them regularly! I find them noticeably more aggressive and difficult to handle than other cats.[/quote]Like Linda says the few I've seen have been not noticeably more aggressive than other breeds. Some of the DSH's I see are psychopathic.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Robin Grimmer — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:02:21 GMT

[quote user="Linda Filshie"]

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

So you're telling me that that the average Bengal cat is not now just a moggie? As said in my post in the other thread they must have been inbred for many generations.

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You obviously don't treat them regularly! I find them noticeably more aggressive and difficult to handle than other cats.

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I have some as patients that are absolute sweethearts. None of the ones I've handled hit the top 10 for "difficult" cats.

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True, there are worse cats. Bloody strong though if you do get one that misbehaves. The most aggressive and difficult to handle breed must surely be the Chinchilla Persian.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Linda Filshie — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 10:52:02 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

So you're telling me that that the average Bengal cat is not now just a moggie? As said in my post in the other thread they must have been inbred for many generations.

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You obviously don't treat them regularly! I find them noticeably more aggressive and difficult to handle than other cats.

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I have some as patients that are absolute sweethearts. None of the ones I've handled hit the top 10 for "difficult" cats.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Thomas Johnson — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 09:42:55 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

So you're telling me that that the average Bengal cat is not now just a moggie? As said in my post in the other thread they must have been inbred for many generations.

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You obviously don't treat them regularly! I find them noticeably more aggressive and difficult to handle than other cats.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Neil Wheadon — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:43:33 GMT

[quote user="Catriona MacIntyre"]Neil.... where and how did you find this information? It's not exactly obvious from the main pet passport site or the OV guidance on small animal export[/quote]

A small mention in the Vet Times, then confirmed with a google search

I'm not an OV as locum so have no access to the training material, so am surprised this isn't obvious, I presume it's buried in an update.

I do though stick with the premise that I wouldn't sign a passport, the potential ramifications are similar to the 'individual cremation that has been accidentally communally cremated' it could be hideous.

Neil

PS I also picked up something from Radio 4 about the increased number of in my opinion crazy crosses in cats (akin to Cockapoos) were servals etc are being crossed (no pun intended) with other cats, so would be an increasing issue.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:13:50 GMT

The fact is that they will show more enthusiasm for making sure every i is dotted and every t is crossed on pet passports, than they will for checking for lorry loads of illegal immigrants, or drug smugglers.

Q Why?

A People who have taken out passports in the 1st place have demonstrated that they're law-abiding. There is far less of a risk that the customs officers will suffer violence. than if they apprehend illegals, so they can gain Browmie points by demonstrating that they're vigilant - at minimal risk to themselves

Wynne

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:33:09 GMT

[quote user="Catriona MacIntyre"]You'd be a brave OV if you gave a passport in my opinion, new regulations from 2014. I can see it now, Bengal owner refused access back to UK without the right authorisation demanding compensation/hotel bills..[/quote]"

The Bengal Cat is a domestic cat breed developed to evoke the feline denizens of the jungle. Bengal Cats were developed by the selective breeding of domestic cats crossed then backcrossed and backcrossed once more with hybrids from the Asian leopard cat (ALC), Prionailurus bengalensisand domestic cat, with the goal of creating a confident, healthy and friendly cat with a highly contrasted and vividly marked coat.

The name "Bengal cat" was derived from the taxonomic name of theAsian leopard cat (P. b. bengalensis). They have a "wild" appearance with large spots, rosettes, and a light/white belly, and a body structure reminiscent of the ALC.^[2] Once separated by at least four generations from the original ALC x domestic cat crossing, the breed possesses a gentle domestic cat temperament".

So you're telling me that that the average Bengal cat is not now just a moggie? As said in my post in the other thread they must have been inbred for many generations.

And who is going to think this is a hybrid with a wild cat?:...

I think any immigration officer would need to have his jobsworth hat on, got out of bed the wrong side, just missed a lorry load of illegal immigrants and found his wife sleeping with his neighbour to bother. I would happily sign the passport.

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Catriona MacIntyre — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:29:29 GMT

Thanks Michael. I can tag Arlo, but if I try to tag you or Neil, I just get a list of job adverts come up!

The paragraphing seems to have gone a bit wonky too

RE: Pet Passports - definition of dog and cat

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 19:27:14 GMT

Neil Wheadon seems taggable!