URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Iain McAllister — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 07:17:08 GMT

Update - remained clinically normal once sedation wore off - HR 100 all the way thru - lactate still normal at 2am - passed some faeces about 3am - stomach slowly decreasing in size so looks like he is going to be fine

Thanks to everyone for their quick replies last night - this forum is an amazing place!

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Aine Seavers — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 02:58:10 GMT

Good idea.

We have had 3 pets- 2 dogs, one cat present dead or dying with food bloat- jammed to the edges with food-very very dry consistency- one meal was home made over salted corned beef in puppy so the high salt would have been a concern as well as well as the massive mass ingested, second was cat who ate its own and the dog's food next morning after a dental the day before-stomach so tight it was tearing the serosa- third was a small dog fed a huge meal of chicken necks and biscuit- I wondered about venous return issue, compression issue- the term 'fit to burst' fitted them all. So perhaps sedating it so it then sitting compressing vessels and reducing clearance may not be the best to keep doing-compromise is to keep quiet but allowed to stand up and move around in a small run or kennel.

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

grumpyoldman — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 00:21:45 GMT

if your worried its going pear -shaped check the lactate

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Iain McAllister — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:45:37 GMT

Thanks - I will calm down now and observe him!

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Neil Wheadon — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:39:09 GMT

I'd leave alone. Almost sounds like you feel the need to do something when in reality better to just sit and wait. HR is fine, RR is a bit high, just need to see if this alters. If it goes higher, I'd re-Xray rather than induce emesis.

Neil

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Iain McAllister — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:30:53 GMT

Thanks for all those fast replies - yes he was normal on exam pre sedation

- HR 100 rr 30 crt <1 tn -

a little abd discomfort on but not hugely painful - no vomiting or retching was observed we've admitted him for monitoring and hopefully will sleep it off -

I just wondered about the possibility of a very food stretched stomach becoming damaged but the consensus seems to be that it can handle this degree of stretch

I take it the consensus would also be to not to induce emesis...

thanks

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Kate Richardson — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:18:46 GMT

Agree with Neil, also be cautious with opioids as will slow GI motility.

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Utlendigur — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:17:50 GMT

[quote user="Iain McAllister"]Or would it just be best to give pain relief, cage rest, fluids and let the dog sleep it off - do you think there is a risk of stiomach necrosis if I do this - at the moment lactate and electrolytes are normal [/quote]

Is there any respiratory distress, cyanosis, pain, signs of shock etc?

Just found my notes on some "Christmas A+E" cpd - "food bloat" - surgery not indicated provided no torsion. Just IVFT, analgesia +/- gastric lavage.

Good luck

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Neil Wheadon — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:15:53 GMT

OK IPad gave up, wouldn't let me type more so here's just a touch more

Not sure why you'd get necrosis with a stretched stomach, a twist may block vessels but no evidence.

I'd place of fluids and observe

Good Luck

Neil

RE: URGENT Opinion needed please Gastric Dilation with dog food

Neil Wheadon — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:13:26 GMT

You want a fast answer so here goes

No gas there so no dilation? Yes a stomach bloated with food, but our labrador did this once and I hospitalised a puppy a few weeks ago that looks like a pear. Both were fine

Do the basics, HR, pulses and demeanour of the dog. If it's stable leave it alone