Neck pain only at night

RE: Neck pain only at night

Aine Seavers — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:56:59 GMT

my reputation has not been built upon falsehoods, quite the opposite, time as always will prove me correct when my knowing something others have yet to know has caused issue, in the meantime I would suggest restraining yourself from making accusations that may come back to bite you.

RE: Neck pain only at night

Will McMullan — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:24:03 GMT

Having ruled out ears, teeth/jaw problems etc in this dog I would certainly be very suspicious of IVDD, and wouldn't put too much faith in radiographs to aid that diagnosis. MRI or CT often reveal major disc/spinal issues that are not visible on radiographs.

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:15:48 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"] How "old" is it?[/quote]Older than time itself I suspect. I think she's having us on!

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Aine Seavers — Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:20:55 GMT

crikey not that old!!- alodema- not odemia- read it in a neurology context probably 18 -20 yrs ago-

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Anthony Todd — Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:13:25 GMT

"alodemia"

Nah, not even in the Shorter Oxford of 1933. How "old" is it?

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Anthony Todd — Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:04:44 GMT

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]eat indian curry whilst drinking very good champagne [/quote]

Tsssss, like giving strawberries to a bull!

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Malcolm Ness — Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:42:08 GMT

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]one should not eat indian curry whilst drinking very good champagne [/quote]

Out of context, that stands as excellent advice.

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Aine Seavers — Sun, 13 Sep 2015 00:28:25 GMT

I first read of and learnt the word many years ago, long before google existed, google knows a lot but is not the entire knowledge bank of the world-nor even the correct knowledge bank with some of the information I had to read just recently- rather it was a perpetuation of inaccuracy and lowest common denominator.

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Thomas Johnson — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 12:31:21 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]no- i mean alodemia- the high pitched scream from ivdd -usually cervical[/quote]Is this to be my new word of the week then? Even Dr Google can't help me out with this one!

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I tried google as well, even putting in 'alodema' and 'neck' or 'cervical' doesn't bring up anything useful.

RE: Neck pain only at night

Aine Seavers — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:51:36 GMT

alodema- an old word to identify the special high pitched sound an ivdd patient makes-esp cervical odema- you can hear then arrive at the clinic before you even see them,

alodemia- is a mistype- one should not eat indian curry whilst drinking very good champagne and then afterwards quickly type ! so apologies on mistyping -and drnking champagne with indian-

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Martin Atkinson — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:30:31 GMT

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]no- i mean alodemia- the high pitched scream from ivdd -usually cervical[/quote]Is this to be my new word of the week then? Even Dr Google can't help me out with this one!

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Aine Seavers — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:17:44 GMT

no- i mean alodemia- the high pitched scream from ivdd -usually cervical

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Martin Atkinson — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:03:33 GMT

I presume she means allodynia - pain memory and hypersensitisation.

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Clive Ansell — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:54:22 GMT

[quote user="Liz white"]

Hi, the dog's usual vet has been working it up to an extent - the owner doesn't want referral. There is a narrowing between t11 and t12 which is assumed to be responsible.

The dog is with the owner throughout the day- they work from home and the dog is in the office. Having spoken to them more, I suspect the timing of the episodes are just down to the dog stiffening up after being in the same position for a while.

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Has there been any response to nsaids ? or preds? next step maybe CT/MRI?

I had very similar case in an 8 year old yorkie a while back. Started off showing intermittent signs of pain, radiographs showed small amount spinal spondylosis, and nsaids made no difference. Eventually started losing forelimb proprioception. Referral and MRI diagnosed syringomyelia with about 60% of cervical spinal cord atrophied, and hugely enlarged cerebral ventricles.

RE: Neck pain only at night

Thomas Johnson — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:37:15 GMT

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]

is it the high pitch scream of alodema

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Not sure what you mean by alodema?

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Kate Richardson — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:23:08 GMT

Has any treatment been trialled so far? If so what response?

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Liz w — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:18:20 GMT

Hi, the dog's usual vet has been working it up to an extent - the owner doesn't want referral. There is a narrowing between t11 and t12 which is assumed to be responsible.

RE: Neck pain only at night

Aine Seavers — Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:13:23 GMT

is it the high pitch scream of alodema or a low grumbing pain?.Has his ears, dentition been checked? what about optic discs.?What time of night-how long post eating- what happens during the day? is the owner home all day long- do we know for sure not happening during the day just unobserved for many episodes. Would like a full clinical exam on this dog before any treatments started.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:01:32 GMT

Has anyone actually attempted to make a diagnosis yet - X-rays/CSF tap/MRI etc etc? Anything else is speculation. I'm not entirely against acupuncture although I remain a sceptic but IMO it is bordering on unethical to be using it before a reasonable attempt has been made to reach a diagnosis.