TICK TREATMENT FOR CATS

Re: TICK TREATMENT FOR CATS

Bob Russell — Mon, 11 May 2015 17:43:17 GMT

My favorite is the comment 'we always/only get it from you' and a look at the records, shows nothing since 2010!

Best one was this comment followed by 'it is the smelly one' (Promeris) which has been off the market for 18 months. They always have at least one dose left in the packet!

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 May 2015 17:29:06 GMT

[quote user="Joyce Whitehead"]Now we frequently see dogs and cats where the owner has bought fipronil over the counter from the supermarket and can't understand why they are still getting bitten.[/quote]Don't you just love it when they come in crawling in fleas and the owner says' 'but I've tried everything', to which you reply, 'ah ha, but you haven't tried anything that actually works from us yet have you'? They then say, 'I buy the same stuff as you sell, you know that Frontline (albeit they rarely get the name right)', and you say, Oh no you don't, because I haven't sold that crap for donkey's years because it doesn't work'.

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Joyce Whitehead — Mon, 11 May 2015 15:27:21 GMT

We are in North Yorkshire, and stopped stocking fipronil products (except some spray, mainly for horse legs and wildlife) about 3 years ago, as we found they were doing no good at all. I've seen animals crawling that have been done regularly and correctly with frontline combo which is what we used to use. Now we frequently see dogs and cats where the owner has bought fipronil over the counter from the supermarket and can't understand why they are still getting bitten.

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mariette asselbergs — Mon, 11 May 2015 14:28:37 GMT

This weekend I saw a cat that had a seresta collar, AND a tracking device collar with a sticking up antenna that looked like the end of a tie for a cremation bag, AND two 6 inch long reflecting tape trailing from each side of its collar.

I don't know what worked best for ticks but the cat looked like an alien! The owners said he was used to it and they could always find him and he was well seen in the dark......." src="http://www.vetsurgeon.org/emoticons/v2/Winking_smiley.gif" />

Mariette

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 May 2015 14:28:02 GMT

[quote user="ChrisBVSc"]I've heard they don't have too many issues up North.[/quote]Depends how far north. I recall discussing fleas with a Scottish vet some years ago and he just didn't see the problems we have down South presumably due to the lower average temperature and colder winters. Maybe this means there is just less of a burden so the lack of efficacy isn't as noticeable. Or maybe for similar reasons greater use 'ere darn sarf has led to resistant fleas.

Maybe Meriel could tell us, but despite the intensifying chorus from vets that fipronil just doesn't seem to work they are keeping very quiet!

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ChrisBVSc — Mon, 11 May 2015 13:04:08 GMT

I've heard the issue with fipronil may vary region to region, it certainly doesn't seem very good down South, but I've heard they don't have too many issues up North. (please correct me if I'm wrong but I heard this from a fairly knowledgeable source!)

No further suggestions for the OP though I'm afraid beyond fipronil products, Seresto, tick hooks and keeping the cat indoors!

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Bob Russell — Mon, 11 May 2015 12:25:43 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Don't forget the fipronil spray option. Not popular with owners but it does work for flea and tick control.[/quote]Why does the spray work but the spot-on doesn't? It can't be just client compliance because owners have always been crap at applying the spot-on but it used to work reasonably well. And why does the spray work within a couple of minutes with in-house treatment? We joke that it just makes the fleas pissed so they fall off and we can squash them but maybe there's more truth in that than we realise!

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I suspect in my hands the dose that the pet gets is a heck of a lot more fipronil than in the spot on. We do have a bottle around that we do let loose especially on puppies and kittens. Not sure I don't drown the bu++ers (fleas) in the solvent!

Anyone wanting evidence that fipronil spot on fails then I can send a selection of blotting paper coat brushings. It is not reliable, has not been reliable for years and IMO not worth the packing it is put in.

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 May 2015 10:10:04 GMT

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Christina Smith — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:22:05 GMT

My grandmother had a cure. I think it was crushed geranium leaves or maybe the flowers.

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Christina Smith — Sun, 10 May 2015 21:20:36 GMT

I am a big fan of fipronil and have no evidence that it is ineffective against fleas. The only tick products that seem to be effective are the permethrin products. That from an area that ticks outnumber fleas by several leagues. IMO

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 10 May 2015 02:07:24 GMT

Welcome, Andrea.

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Andrea Tarr — Sat, 09 May 2015 22:37:36 GMT

Products available for cats that are active against fleas and ticks are:

products containing fipronil alone (insecticide and acaricide) - many brands of spot-ons and sprays
products containing fipronil plus S-methoprene (insect growth regulator) - Fiprospot Duo, Fypryst Combo, and Broadline (which also contains endoparasiticides) (all spot-ons)
imidacloprid (insecticide) plus flumethrin (acaricide and tick repellent) (Seresto collar)

For more information, see http://www.veterinaryprescriber.org/free-articles/2014/4/27/make-sense-of-flea-and-tick-product

and http://www.veterinaryprescriber.org/free-articles/2015/4/16/how-to-use-the-ectoparasiticide-guide

Re: TICK TREATMENT FOR CATS

Glenn Hodgson — Sat, 09 May 2015 11:10:36 GMT

Spray as well Question Mark

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Bob Russell — Sat, 09 May 2015 11:09:54 GMT

Don't forget the fipronil spray option. Not popular with owners but it does work for flea and tick control. Presumably a higher dose is required.

Cats and owners hate it but if they are that desperate it is an option. I have found fipronil spot ons do work against ticks for a couple of weeks.

Overall my opinion is fipronil is cr*p and we sold a single dose in the last month!

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Martin Atkinson — Sat, 09 May 2015 10:49:31 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Mellor"]

the issue is not cost it is the fact the cats have been treated twice with fipronil and are covered in ticks !

[/quote]Fipronil is ineffective full stop.

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Rob Loxley — Sat, 09 May 2015 00:04:17 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

Broadline is amazing stuff. Monthly syringe applicator, round worm, tape worm, fleas ticks etc etc

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That's a fipronil product though. The flea and tick part is frontline combo.

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But higher dose...

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Stephen Courtney — Fri, 08 May 2015 23:26:23 GMT

[quote user="mariette asselbergs"]

I agree with you that it doesn't mention ticks on the box and it doesn't make much sense being imidacloprid only for cats, but in the BSAVA formulary it says "treatment and prevention of flea and tick infestations in dogs and cats".

?????
Mariette

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It's an error. the same formulary gives a dose rate for Apoquel in cats - same mg/kg as dogs - and i know for sure that Zoetis do NOT advise even trying the stuff on cats.

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Busybee — Fri, 08 May 2015 20:30:52 GMT

Bravecto currently not licensed for cats though who knows what the reps say....!

When we started using Comfortis, the rep did say they have off license data to suggest it works against ticks for 2 weeks on dogs, but not sure about cats.

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John Flynn — Fri, 08 May 2015 20:19:46 GMT

I thought "bravecto" works just fine in cats?

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Glenn Hodgson — Fri, 08 May 2015 18:53:56 GMT

Spray every 2 weeks with fronting. Works well but you'll have an angry cat....

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Andrew Mellor — Fri, 08 May 2015 18:50:12 GMT

the issue is not cost it is the fact the cats have been treated twice with fipronil and are covered in ticks !

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Bob Russell — Fri, 08 May 2015 17:54:49 GMT

if you go for a really cheap imidacloprid such as Clear Spot and add a cheap fipronil such as Eliminall then both can be used at the same time (different days) over tick season. Cost is acceptable to most owners.

The odd tick can be sorted with a tick hook!

Re: TICK TREATMENT FOR CATS

Andrew Mellor — Fri, 08 May 2015 16:44:24 GMT

so I think I am right then only fipronil licensed in uk for ticks in cats as a spot on so maybe the tick hook is his best option.

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mariette asselbergs — Fri, 08 May 2015 16:33:17 GMT

?????
Mariette

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Bob Russell — Fri, 08 May 2015 16:17:51 GMT

Does not! Check the box!

Imidacloprid is not reliable for tick control. Absolutely promise!

Seresto most reliable. Fipronil q good if applied often enough but despite all the claims otherwise, is pretty cr*p at flea control especially in the hands of the average cat owner!