online cpd

Re: online cpd

Thomas Johnson — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:40:32 GMT

Central CPD offer online CPD, they've got some free taster ones here:

http://vet-ecpd.com/teaser_video_cat/vet-cpd/

and here:

http://www.centralcpd.co.uk/free-online-cpd/

Re: online cpd

Catriona MacIntyre — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:25:28 GMT

vetcpd.co.uk are offering a quarterly journal with online tests/logging. They also offer 10 hour tutored CPD courses.

I haven't tried the online aspect yet but I was going to give it a try soon. They have a mast cell tumour management course I thought looked interesting

Re: online cpd

Simo — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:40:31 GMT

[quote user="Tom Ward"]

How are people recording their reading? Do you enter - Read Vet Times edition 'x' - 1hr CPD, or are you logging individual articles of interest?

[/quote]

I log just the reading done ad hoc to study a particular argument. In that case I put down the argument I was researching, the date, the source(s) of information and briefly note down what I learned. When I read the journals I just put them towards the 10 hours, unless there is a specific article related to something I was studing and that add something new, in that case I add a few notes and the title of the article to the sources. I don't know if it makes sense...

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:55:20 GMT

[quote user="Tom Ward"]How are people recording their reading? [/quote]I don't record it, I do more than the 36 hours by other means so don't see a need to, it is just put down as an ad hoc extra 10 hours although I'm sure it is more like 100 hours.

Re: online cpd

Tom Ward — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:56:54 GMT

How are people recording their reading? Do you enter - Read Vet Times edition 'x' - 1hr CPD, or are you logging individual articles of interest?

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:24:09 GMT

I think a combination of all methods is necessary. I've stated my fondness for overseas conferences. They're not tax free holidays as some cynics may suggest but create a relaxed atmosphere conducive to learning. I'll also do UK conferences, webinars, locally and specialist centre provided seminars, product launches, lunch and learns, reading journals, chatting to reps, even learning from this forum. Which raises a case in point - the very presence of most people on this forum probably means they are interested in learning and don't need a whip to do it. There are of course plenty who do little or no CPD and in many ways it is their loss as they are not able to gain the greatest sense of satisfaction from their profession but equally there will be many who clock their 36 hours just to say they've done them and do little to change the way they work.

The RCVS can monitor CPD as much as they want and even examine us but it matters not one jot unless there is some sort of audit of clinical outcome to show it has been put into good practice. So how do we go about that is the next question?

Re: online cpd

Simo — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:25:18 GMT

I'm a better learner when I can read and take notes (or see and take notes), so textbooks, articles, webinars and in general any medium wich allows me to stop and review is good for me. For other more social people it may well be to spend some time at the congress bar discussing cases with friends, ultimately it all depends on individual preferences and RCVS must decide if they are willing to trust us or not, if not I'm not sure what the way out might be, maybe only accept assessed courses by regulated providers? But it will be only a waste of time for many of us.

Re: online cpd

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:15:08 GMT

I don't think RCVS give two hoots if you spent 45 minutes in a lecture and 45 minutes in the bar and cheekily claimed 1.5 hours CPD. I suspect they are far more concerned by the 910 vets who ignored their request for CPD record cards and the 716 people who handed them in, but had not done enough CPD and were not compliant with requirements.

I would argue that by networking with vets I have learnt as much in the bar with a beer than in the lecture or talk.

Re: online cpd

Anthony Dennison — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:04:52 GMT

Yeah, Idexx had a bar at congress and were running lectures. In fact, they had a better stream on Friday afternoon and kept me well oiled!

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 16:53:40 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]....who is to know that you haven't slept through a lecture or spent a congress in the bar with your pals. [/quote] Who says you can't do both and still be in lectures ?!

Lectures: Congress in the Snow, St Anton, January 2015

Re: online cpd

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 16:01:11 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

What did I say to deserve a red star? Stand up red star man and have the courage to make your case.

[/quote]

Obviously someone who's got something against skiiing! Honestly, putting on acres of lycra and then skedaddling down a snow covered rock with two sticks on your feet and another pair in your hands...who could possibly go for that?

Re: online cpd

bob lehner — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 16:00:44 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"]I have sometimes wondered whether we will still be able to count webinars as CPD in the future, as there was some discussion recently about the 10 hours informal study . I think we need to trust that people are honest about their CPD hours and certainly a letter in this week's Vet Times conveyed nicely how, even though someone isn't officially attending CPD events, they are keeping up to date with current issues and thinking by reading Vet Record, Vet Times etc weekly. I have been to CPD events (especially recently) where I could see delegates browsing their e-mails on their smart phone for approx. 50% of the lecture. I wonder if they are writing down the full hour of CPD for that?[/quote]

Absolutely right!

Currently all CPD is based on trust - unless every item is validated by an exam who is to know that you haven't slept through a lecture or spent a congress in the bar with your pals.

Diligently reading an article relevant to your work and making some notes is just as good in my book - and webinars are great - especially if, like me, you live a long way from anywhere.

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:58:44 GMT

What did I say to deserve a red star? Stand up red star man and have the courage to make your case.

Re: online cpd

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:00:08 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Whilst technically correct, I'd hope no vet used textbooks as their sole resource![/quote]

But if you know not much about something, then 3 hours reading (read, mark, learn and inwardly digest) of a respectable modern textbook chapter is 3 solid valuable hours of proper CPD. And very possibly more valuable than 3 hours of lecture.

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]By their very nature they are out of date by the time the copy goes to the printers.[/quote]

Sometimes. But so are published journal papers.

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"] A single author (or small group of editors) pick and chose the evidence and invariably place bias on the information.[/quote]

As is also true of webinars, lectures, In Practice articles and some review papers.

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:55:17 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Louise - as long as you can document what you have done then you can do all your CPD from journals or webinars. I thought that point was seemingly missed by the author of the letter in Vet Times - if he had a little book and logged his time then he could count it all.[/quote] You can also count time spent on writing articles, preparing talks and doing research although this is difficult to quantify. You can count time spent on market reaearch and with company reps so long as you can show that it has changed the way that you work, especially those nice lunch and learns that are so popular these days.

And while I'm at it a plug for Congress in the Snow (Jan 23rd-30th 2016) if you're a skier what better way to combine CPD with pleasure as you'll be paying for a skiing holiday anyway! If anyone's interested PM me and I'll add you to the database for when we have full details.

Re: online cpd

Frances Barr — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:47:09 GMT

BSAVA members can benefit from monthly free webinars. We run one a month intended for vets and one a month intended for nurses - but members can access both streams. The live webinars run at lunchtime, but if that's not convenient, the recordings are freely available to members for around 2 months afterwards.

As others have said, there's nothing wrong with using webinars for CPD! Just take a few minutes afterwards to make a note of the main points that you've learned, either on your paper CPD record or your online RCVS CPD record.

Re: online cpd

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:37:00 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Or textbooks.[/quote]

Whilst technically correct, I'd hope no vet used textbooks as their sole resource! By their very nature they are out of date by the time the copy goes to the printers. A single author (or small group of editors) pick and chose the evidence and invariably place bias on the information.

As a student I thought textbooks were the source of all knowledge, now I use them very much less. I'll use a textbook if I want something relatively constant (like surgical anatomy) but it wouldn't be my main source for clinical information (unless a very unfamiliar area where I wanted a quick overview).

Re: online cpd

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 01:15:16 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Louise - as long as you can document what you have done then you can do all your CPD from journals or webinars.[/quote]

Or textbooks.

Re: online cpd

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 23:51:37 GMT

Louise - as long as you can document what you have done then you can do all your CPD from journals or webinars. I thought that point was seemingly missed by the author of the letter in Vet Times - if he had a little book and logged his time then he could count it all.

I'd be very much against a massive change in the concept, I've always just stuck down 10 hours undocumented private study - on the understanding I do far more but CBA to write it down. Time spent on here could be counted, but I never have.

What might be an idea was to only allow 66% of the total to be made up of any single activity.

From RCVS:

Private, documented, self-directed learning such as keeping up to date with relevant veterinary journals can be incorporated into your CPD plans and it is good practice to keep your own personal record of such activities, perhaps in the form of a learning diary. You can use the online PDR to keep such notes. Otherwise, undocumented private studies can only account for up to ten hours per year on your CPD Record

Re: online cpd

Louise6732 — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:44:24 GMT

Another recommendation for The Webinar Vet, Idexx Learning Centre, Boehringer and Bayer. All high quality and relevant to 1st opinion practice. Idexx is US based but as long as you're prepared to translate the units for lab reference rangers it's fine.

I have sometimes wondered whether we will still be able to count webinars as CPD in the future, as there was some discussion recently about the 10 hours informal study . I think we need to trust that people are honest about their CPD hours and certainly a letter in this week's Vet Times conveyed nicely how, even though someone isn't officially attending CPD events, they are keeping up to date with current issues and thinking by reading Vet Record, Vet Times etc weekly. I have been to CPD events (especially recently) where I could see delegates browsing their e-mails on their smart phone for approx. 50% of the lecture. I wonder if they are writing down the full hour of CPD for that?

Re: online cpd

Simo — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 18:10:53 GMT

Also the IDEXX website has a huge archive of webinars and have live ones almost weekly.

Re: online cpd

Catherine Williams — Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:47:56 GMT

Another vote for Webinar Vet.

Also check out the Vetgrad website which lists a lot of CPD online resources - the majority of which are free

Re: online cpd

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:02:59 GMT

+1 for Anthony Chadwick and Webinar Vet. But there is plenty of free stuff out there with those suggested for a start.

Re: online cpd

Liz w — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:23:48 GMT

Webinar vet and bayer as well as two mentioned above.

Re: online cpd

karenlhorne — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:35:51 GMT

Boehringer Academy and Dechra Academy are both very good sources of free CPD online