Cat food - pancreatitis

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ruths — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 08:50:04 GMT

Don't vote- it only encourages them

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David Mills — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:19:42 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]So you'll be voting for Uncle Tom Troll in the council elections then David?![/quote]

The lotharios of me, Tommy and Russel Brand manning the barricades. Vive la revolution!

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:06:47 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]That is, of course, if you buy into the bumpf that 'clinical' diets make any difference at al[/quote]So you'll be voting for Uncle Tom Troll in the council elections then David?!

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David Mills — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 13:14:02 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] fundamentally wrong that 'clinical' diets are available without prescription.[/quote]

That is, of course, if you buy into the bumpf that 'clinical' diets make any difference at all... (or at least any difference even approaching the level that big pharma tell you)

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:18:31 GMT

[quote user="Luca Poddighe"]My first post ever on this forum! How exciting![/quote]Clearly you lead a quiet life if you think it's exciting.

Have you viewed from afar before taking the plunge or straight in at the deep end? Whatever, as Gilian says welcome and don't take everything too seriously.

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Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:05:10 GMT

[quote user="Luca Poddighe"]My first post ever on this forum! How exciting[/quote]

Welcome!!!!!

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KMurphy — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:51:43 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]buying the wrong diet on the advice of Dr Google and creating more problems than they solve?[/quote]

I've had this where an owner bought urinary diet for his cat due to recurring urinary issues. Unfortunately, when he ultimately brought it to me the cat had oxalate stones so he was only aggravating the condition.

It often feels like we're just unpaid reps for the food manufacturers.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:30:15 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Until RC restarts supporting those making the diet recommendations, I have little brand loyalty![/quote]Its bad enough pet food companies using us to promote their life-stage diets then selling it cheaper in the shops and on-line but I think there is something fundamentally wrong that 'clinical' diets are available without prescription. What is to stop some idiot with Münchhausen's by proxy buying the wrong diet on the advice of Dr Google and creating more problems than they solve?

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Bob Russell — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:04:29 GMT

We have a number on RC Digestive Moderate Calorie which seems to be their recommendation. A balance between reducing fat and energy intake rather than strictly low fat.

Novel or hydrolysed protein is an interesting idea!

As owners can buy Royal Canin diets cheaper on the internet than we can buy it, that is where we recommend they buy so cost stops being an option. Until RC restarts supporting those making the diet recommendations, I have little brand loyalty!

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Luca Poddighe — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:55:41 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Kent"]

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]Is it okay then to not change the diet if the cat has pancreatitis but no evidence of concurrent GI inflammation? This is what I do at the moment.[/quote]

I think that is reasonable and I certainly don't always change the food. The only issue is that it can be difficult to prove that there isn't concurrent gut disease and so if there is any doubt I would assume there was.

But for me - if they have an acute episode and recover uneventfully then I may not change the food. If there is any chronicity to it or recurrence then I would go for a diet trial.

Andy

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My first post ever on this forum! How exciting!

I agree with Andy, it often difficult to separate pancreas from GI pathology, as concurrent IBD is a common finding. In general term low fat diet seems to be much more important in dog than in cat, so I don't routinely change diet in cat with pancreatitis. I would say that a good quality food with no variation in the ingredients is generally indicated. Any adult or senior diet of Hill's, RCW, Eukanuba and Purina should really do in absence of concurrent IBD.

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Andrew Kent — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:25:48 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]Is it okay then to not change the diet if the cat has pancreatitis but no evidence of concurrent GI inflammation? This is what I do at the moment.[/quote]

But for me - if they have an acute episode and recover uneventfully then I may not change the food. If there is any chronicity to it or recurrence then I would go for a diet trial.

Andy

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Thomas Johnson — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 08:37:37 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Kent"]

Hi Rebecca,

People tend not to worry so much about the fat content of foods for cats with pancreatitis. In most cases the disease is part of a complex involving concurrent GI inflammation as well - my approach therefore is to use novel protein or hydrolysed diets.

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Is it okay then to not change the diet if the cat has pancreatitis but no evidence of concurrent GI inflammation? This is what I do at the moment.

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Kate Richardson — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:53:32 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Kent"]

Hi Rebecca,

Various options for this exist - I quite often use Hills D/D (Venison - available in both wet and dry) or Purina HA (only dry). Also occasionally use eukanuba lamb and barley (wet only).

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Ditto

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Andrew Kent — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:14:46 GMT

Hi Rebecca,

Various options for this exist - I quite often use Hills D/D (Venison - available in both wet and dry) or Purina HA (only dry). Also occasionally use eukanuba lamb and barley (wet only).

Hope that helps,

Andy

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Rebecca MacMillan — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:11:01 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Anything low fat.

Wynne

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Sorry maybe I wasn't clear, I was looking for specifics! :-D Just wondered if people had any personal recommendations for brands etc, as I've only ever tended to use I/d.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:08:17 GMT

I tend to advise Royal Canin Gastro-Intestinal. However I have a feeling that any quality cat food is OK so long as it is consistent and the owner isn't feeding plates of chicken as well. It seems a bit illogical feeding a low fat diet per se as excessive protein seems to trigger it as well. I wonder if that is why so many cats are found to have evidence of pancreatitis on post mortem exam even they've ostensibly been asymptomatic.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:06:25 GMT

Anything low fat.

Wynne