Cruft's Poisoning Case ?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:41:48 GMT

Wherever it happened, it's a dreadful tragedy - poor poor dog.

Wynne

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Stephen Courtney — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:04:40 GMT

Pretty much what I thought. Belgian issue......nothing to do with Crufts..

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Anne Seawright — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:04:14 GMT

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31913792

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Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:47:55 GMT

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/press-releases/2015/march/kennel-club-statement-about-jagger's-death/

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ruths — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:47:37 GMT

I suspect it is going to sustain me for a while. -)))

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Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:14:35 GMT

Made me laugh too. Definitely thanking the wrong bloke.

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ruths — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:11:18 GMT

Fwiw I think the whole crufts thing is bloody mad. But thanks for the quite 'thank God for hell'. That's going to keep me going all day I think

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Rob Davis — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 08:48:31 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Clive Because the police have a statutory duty to investigate all SUSPECTED crime. Total crimina leradication is infinitely more important than all the other functions of government put together.[/quote]

I find that people frequently come in with there sick dog or cat assuming that it has been poisoned. In the majority of cases it turns out that other explanations are much more likely. If the police were obliged to pay for post-mortem examinations or toxicology testing on all SUSPECTED poisonings the costs would be astronomical...

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:57:13 GMT

Not when the subject is an animal suffering.

Wynne

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bob lehner — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:39:28 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

I usually have a good laugh at non-pc jokes, but jokes about animalsuffering are far too upsetting.

Wynne

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Well - I really don't think anyone was having a joke about the animal suffering.

Just a lot of silly play on words.....you can't beat a good pun.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:14:01 GMT

Apparently, there's been another poisoning - and the law in this country is so ridiculously soft on these evil evil people, that they won't be adequately punished until they reach the next world. Thank God for hell.

Wynne

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:27:45 GMT

I usually have a good laugh at non-pc jokes, but jokes about animalsuffering are far too upsetting.

Wynne

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bob lehner — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:48:57 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

If taxpayers hard-earned money was spent the proper way, then the police would pay for the post-mortem.

Wynne

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Absolutely - and they should also make jolly sure that people guilty of making poor quality non-pc jokes of dubious taste are ruthlessly hunted down and taken out into a public place for a damn good flogging.....

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Clive Ansell — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:28:40 GMT

Might get their collar felt if plod catch up with them.

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David Mills — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:22:44 GMT

Whoever did it, I hope they get a ruff ride.

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Anthony Dennison — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:12:14 GMT

Problem is Wynne, the dog died in Belgium, and it still hasn't been confirmed that the poison was ingested on UK soil, so unless Interpol gets involved, it might be difficult...

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:06:35 GMT

Clive Because the police have a statutory duty to investigate all SUSPECTED crime. Total criminaleradication is infinitely more important than all the other functions of government put together.

Wynne

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Sammy82 — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 11:18:22 GMT

Is killing somebody elses dog, beside potential welfare issues, not at least

damage of property and therefore a criminal offence regardless?

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Clive Ansell — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:07:53 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Elizabeth. If taxpayers hard-earned money was spent the proper way, then the police would pay for the post-mortem.

Wynne

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Why should the police or the taxpayer pay for a post mortem exam?

It could be that no crime has been commited. Killing a dog is not as a criminal offence, although causing unnecessary suffering, or permitting unnecessary suffering is.

Toxicology results are not known yet, may not have even been poisoned at all??

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Anthony Dennison — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:50:22 GMT

[quote user="Elizabeth Billimore"]

If one of us had a case like this where would we send samples? I don't know of any labs that do toxicology as such. I suppose if it was suspected crime then maybe the police would advise about where to send samples. Even better the whole dog would be send to a path lab for the PM if the owner wanted to pay.

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I had a puppy once that had allegedly been force fed ecstasy and amphetamines. Posted on here for possible places to test blood/urine, local hospitals were one option.

I ended up sending a sample to Idexx, who send it to a 3rd party for mass spectrometry.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:49:34 GMT

Elizabeth. If taxpayers hard-earned money was spent the proper way, then the police would pay for the post-mortem.

Wynne

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Anne Seawright — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:46:02 GMT

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]

There was an online article looking at Breeder and show Skullduggery going back at least 150 years, with several high profile poisonings.

So perhaps i was too quick to dismiss the possibility of sabotage? but still fail to see how the poisoning could take so long to manifest.

[/quote] And the chunks of meat 'sewn up with various poisons' not have been digested?

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Rob Loxley — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:41:02 GMT

http://ctdslab.co.uk/toxicology-and-poison-testing/

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Bibs — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:35:17 GMT

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Stephen Courtney — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:16:55 GMT

There was an online article looking at Breeder and show Skullduggery going back at least 150 years, with several high profile poisonings.

So perhaps i was too quick to dismiss the possibility of sabotage? but still fail to see how the poisoning could take so long to manifest.