Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:28:18 GMT

I gave u 5 stars for that one Martin

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:17:24 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]Apparently the vet in question uses a lot of 'holistic' therapies. Nothing wrong with that I suppose,[/quote]There's a whole lot wrong with that. At best he is conning the clients and at worst risking the welfare of his patients by not giving them effective therapy. Very unprofessional, sadly there's a few too many here as well including some charlatans who frequent this forum from time to time.

Yes you know who you are!

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:29:50 GMT

Thank you guys for all your responses. Apparently the vet in question uses a lot of 'holistic' therapies. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, it's just not my way of approaching things...

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Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:17:44 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]I remember Myocrisin: the latest thing in the seventies for arthritis then[ Not for me, I'm not that old, [/quote]Well I am that old and I recall using it when I first qualified in the late seventies. I seem to recall it wan't much use, was painful on injection and the side effects outweighed benefit. It died a death once safe and effective NSAIDs were developed for veterinary use.

It is still listed in Plumbs Veterinary Drug Handbook but for immune-mediated disease that hasn't responded to less toxic modalities. Side effects mentioned include: pemphigus, stomatitis, hepatic necrosis and renal dysfunction. In humans cases of thrombocytopaenia, leucopaenia and aplastic anaemia are reported, Snake oil is a lot safer.

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:00:34 GMT

1% is "up to 70/90% "

Someone can only be proven to be lying if rither 71% or 91% show improvement.

Wynne

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:05:08 GMT

Up to70 - 90 % of treated patients show pain relief.

Oh, I so love statements like this!

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Tim Charlesworth — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:35:36 GMT

Somebody (Jaeger) did a PhD recently into this and appeared to show a significant improvement in cases of hip DJD over placebo. However this treatment (so my orthopaedic colleague tells me) was very popular 20 years ago and yet no good long studies came out of it. There are concerns that the benefit reported may be nothing more than benefit from the implantation process (acupuncture!). I can't repeat the one word answer I initially got when I asked him what he thought of the treatment...

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Bob Russell — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:32:28 GMT

Gold preparations in human medicine are used for rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile arthritis and some autoimmune conditions. Most OA cases in dogs are screwed up genes, faulty joint articulation and wear and tear.

The goldtreat website suggests pain relief within two weeks. Human gold preparations have no direct pain relief and can take months to act.

Sounds a lot of bovine excrement to me. Take 100 dogs with symptomatic OA, give them all placebos and a fair number will be reported as improved after a fortnight. Partly owner placebo but partly the fact that OA waxes and wanes!

Waving purple crystals (anticlockwise) twenty times whilst chanting The Lord's Prayer in Flemish will also get the thumbs up from owners of some patients. Apparently scantily clad assistants improve the client return rate for some reason! (naughty smiley).

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Julian Earl — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:12:08 GMT

I remember Myocrisin: the latest thing in the seventies for arthritis then[ Not for me, I'm not that old, I was only a teenager at a vet's then and it was rather expensive, but slightly cheaper than the platinum coated tablets IIRC! Does anyone else use the EntrezPubMed site? The USA website with zillions of research papers logged. On there I found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12847908 that may be of use. Search on there as with google etc, and there are many many useful links for any subject you can think of For example [tangent alert!!!] There is research on there showing the effectiveness of allergy desensitisation in dogs for example, never seen this in the Record, but it is 60-70% of dogs benefit apparently. Have a look and see for any evidence for the treatments you use...

HTH.

Re: Goldtreat.com Scam or Real?

Bob Russell — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:14:06 GMT

Myocrisin is used in man for rheumatoid arthritis. Not sure if it is considered useful for the osteoarthritis that we, as vets generally see. That requires full bloods and urinalysis before use in humans and after each dose. Pretty sure that is one of the drugs that my brother had for his arthritis (Reiter's syndrome). This does not seem to be the same though!

Nice little earner though!

Strangely there is a link to the Webinar Vet but this has no obvious link to the product. Not sure if it is there to make things look more legitimate!

I suspect snake oil works as well. Peer reviewed research and trial work looks decidedly absent.