Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:38:49 GMT

Even if the original uraemic gastritis is renal,then it will predispose to ulceration. Stomach acid also has this property. An antacid should hopefully decrease the degree of ulceration, and, gastric ulceration is not only a problem in itself, it will also increase pre-renal uraemia, so becomes a viscious cycle.

Wynne

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:21:45 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]why not suggest something rather than just being critical?[/quote]....erm, I thought I said that.

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

David Mills — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:51:36 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]If you know of a viable alternative let use know instead of just being critical.[/quote]

There ain't any old boy. But chucking something down a dog's throat just because it looks like antepsin without knowing what function it performs ain't gonna help, in fact in many cases it makes it worse - it actively produces Co2 in a probably already inflamed stomach - quite painful I'd have thought.

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]But surely it is performing a different task and there is a need for both an antacid and a gastro-protectant.[/quote]

Gaviscon and famotidine are performing the same task, albeit at different points. And neither are gastroprotectants - why not suggest something rather than just being critical?

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Richard Carter — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:26:43 GMT

we have also been wearing sorry using mucogel - dogs hate it

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Tim Charlesworth — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:35:50 GMT

We've been using "Mucogel" which contains Aluminium and Magnesium hydroxide. It's meant to be pretty good but unfortunately it contains peppermint oil and dogs can smell it from the other side of the building.. You also need much larger volumes then dear old Antepsin,

Tim

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:19:03 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]I don't get this current fad for gaviscon. [/quote]It does contain aluminium salts which is why it may be considered a substitute for Antepsin although I appreciate it is a different mode of action. If you know of a viable alternative let use know instead of just being critical.

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

David Mills — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:22:37 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]But surely it is performing a different task[/quote]

Gaviscon performs an entirely different role to antepsin.

I don't get this current fad for gaviscon. It is primarily an antacid (sodium bicarb) and sodium alginate. The latter forms a 'raft' over stomach contents, preventing reflux and, if reflux does occur, are supposed to coat the oesophagus preventing acid damage. It doesn't protect against ulcers, bleeding, and doesn't bond to exposed mucosa like antepsin. It's pretty useless. And dogs hate it.

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:05:12 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

Never used either- try famotidine- once daily so much easier

[/quote]But surely it is performing a different task and there is a need for both an antacid and a gastro-protectant. I have to say that with the demise of Antepsin there is now a bottle of Gavascon on the shelf but the only patient to have had some so far is me!

PS checked the label and there is no mention of xylotol in it.

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Richard Carter — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:21:50 GMT

[quote user="Tom Ward"]

i miss antepsin

[/quote] yes lovely stuff - didn't leave an aftertaste like gaviscon..

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Tom Ward — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:20:21 GMT

i miss antepsin

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Kate Richardson — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:46:42 GMT

Never used either- try famotidine- once daily so much easier

Re: Peptac/Gaviscon in cats with uraemic gastritis?

Richard Carter — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:43:19 GMT

just check it doesn't contain the dreaded xylitol sweetener