antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Gerry Henry — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:43:10 GMT

We use tap water for scaling, if we want to apply an antiseptic to the gums we will use Cortosyl (spelling ?) or Dentasept; after each dental the machine and all appliances are flushed with Milton, then sterile water (you only need a few 100 mls) then, most importantly IMHO, air and lots of it. Turbine drill, air motor all fine, no nasties in the lines either.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

James Laidlaw — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:20:33 GMT

Roots advised citrisil for algae to me but I don't know where to get it from... Anyone used this?

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Glenn Hodgson — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:04:28 GMT

a) Get it from JAK for £6 - Thankyou

b) Don't use treated water for the procedure, just use it as a flush for the waterlines at the end of the working day - Yes, Good :-)

c) Don't be such a cheapskate - No Can do. Am from the Aberdeen

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:23:48 GMT

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Um, I wonder if Halfords Battery Top-up water would do??

£2something for 5 litres.

I'll bet it's pretty well sterile....

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It's distilled water.

It's not sterile.[quote user="Glenn Hodgson"]

However I see it makes for a £12 litre of posh water. Are there any other economical alternatives people can suggest?

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a) Get it from JAK for £6

b) Don't use treated water for the procedure, just use it as a flush for the waterlines at the end of the working day

c) Don't be such a cheapskate

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Sammy82 — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:18:23 GMT

Is that not just distilled water?

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Anthony Todd — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:16:08 GMT

Um, I wonder if Halfords Battery Top-up water would do??

£2something for 5 litres.

I'll bet it's pretty well sterile....

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Glenn Hodgson — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:12:15 GMT

This looks like good stuff. However I see it makes for a £12 litre of posh water. Are there any other economical alternatives people can suggest?

Thank you

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:54:15 GMT

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CLS solution – now renamed as Kruuse Dental Formula – is the bee's knees in anything iM3 , so should be OK in other machines (checking with manufacturer would be a good idea though).

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The CLS solution hasn't been renamed, iM3 still produce this product and is available from one of their distributors. Just so you are aware J.A.K Marketing Ltd are one of them.

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Oh! I beg yor pardon. CLS suddenly disappeared from the wholesalers, who eventually sent the Kruuse instead. I assumed it was some sort of brand licensing contractual thing.

Thank you for the information.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Michelle Ingram — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:11:38 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

CLS solution – now renamed as Kruuse Dental Formula – is the bee's knees in anything iM3 , so should be OK in other machines (checking with manufacturer would be a good idea though).

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The CLS solution hasn't been renamed, iM3 still produce this product and is available from one of their distributors. Just so you are aware J.A.K Marketing Ltd are one of them.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Andrew Mellor — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:03:08 GMT

Thank you so much for that very detailed reply. I am much happier now to proceed and will check with the manufacturer Woodpecker re CLS solution.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:20:22 GMT

Putting Hibiscrub in is just stupid – it's a surgical scrub preparation!. If you want to put generic chlorhexidine in, use a bit of Hibitane. I can't guarantee it won't corrode or gum up your machinery though. You could always ask the manufacturers.

However.

CLS solution – now renamed as Kruuse Dental Formula – is the bee's knees in anything iM3 , so should be OK in other machines (checking with manufacturer would be a good idea though).

The main reason for putting stuff in the water is to discourage growth of biofilm in the water lines and passages. You'd be surprised at the filth that can grow in there. Filters and things will keep particles and junk out, but they won't stop biofilm forming. You should be using distilled water anyway, but distilled water is not sterile.

I would strongly recommend periodically testing the water bacteriologically with something like the kits from Quality Water Systems

http://www.qwsonline.co.uk/

and, following their guidelines, give the waterlines a deep clean to eliminate biofilm, when necessary.

I wouldn't chance it with hypochlorite. It might be OK, but it might not..... and just a little corrosion could put your expensive machine out of use.

A secondary reason for putting stuff in the water is to use it to "disinfect" the tooth surfaces and pockets as you go. Some experts are keen on this, others less so. Its value is uncertain.It works pretty well on an average-length fairly straightforward treatment, but with prolonged use the chemicals may irritate the soft tissues. You don't have to do it at all, water does a pretty good job. My approach is to use plain water for the initial scaling of big chunks, then usually switch to CLS once we get subgingival or onto areas visibly laden with plaque; definitely use CLS for any pockets that require periodontal bactericidal ultrasonic debridement (PBUD); and use plain water for the final low-powered finishing run round subgingivally. (Pockets that need medication have it applied with a syringe right at the end of the procedure).

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Lindsey Edwards — Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:48:05 GMT

Peroxide has been rumoured but don't know what dilution.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:07:03 GMT

I don't understand why people persist in using bottles, mine is and always has been directly connected to the mains supply via an anti-backflow valve or a head tank with an air gap.

Re: antiseptic in scaler water - what to use

Anthony Todd — Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:44:27 GMT

With some water lines you can get in line LUER fitting filters which Kent Express have which stops all sorts of crud etc getting into the works and would be good to use in these expensive scalers etc.