Can you recommend some good luxators?

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Laurence Webb — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:44:55 GMT

Well there goes my entire budget! Looks likes Martin's previous advice for digital radiography will have to wait for a while....

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Rob Loxley — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:09:53 GMT

correct sharpening kit...?

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Rob Davis — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:05:46 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]All I can think of for the moment. Does anyone else have some favourite instruments they couldn't do without?[/quote]

Round scalpel handle (much easier to manipulate in the mouth)

Angled round scalpel handle (helps accessing palatal/distal aspects of gingival attachment)

La Grange scissors - very useful for cutting periosteum when creating mixed thickeness flaps

Root pick

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:37:49 GMT

[quote user="Laurence Webb"]Any other dental hand tools you'd suggest for a fairly ageing dental set-up?[/quote]

Well, you asked for it....

Do you have some decent extraction forceps? Most you see that have been in the kit for years are FAR TOO BIG. The ones some dealers bill as "small breed forceps" are the size you want for even the biggest dog. It would be nice to find some even smaller for cats. Make sure there's a gap between the jaws when they are closed and don't go for fancy angles on the handles.

Shepherd's-hook explorer.

Periodontal probe.

Periosteal elevators, medium and small.

Periodontal curettes for root-planing, though you won't use these often if you are set up for periodontal bactericidal ultrasonic debridement.

Consider a set of Vet Inst chubby elevators; they are too thick for regular use but can sometimes help you out when the luxator isn't finishing the job.

Consider a set of three Fahrenkrug elevators: needed for canine-tooth extractions, including deciduous teeth.

Consider making up a little set of little instruments for gingival suturing.

All I can think of for the moment. Does anyone else have some favourite instruments they couldn't do without?

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Laurence Webb — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:53:50 GMT

Thanks for all the suggestions. I particularly fancy some short handles luxators so I'll be trying the Kruuse ones out.

Any other dental hand tools you'd suggest for a fairly ageing dental set-up? The dental unit will need upgrading at some point but is adequate for the time being.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Rob Davis — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:44:51 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"] Kruuse are much better: they are shorter (fit in the palm of my hand while the tip of my forefinger goes right on the working tip of the instrument, ideal) and the cross section seems to me to be just right for the dog or cat periodontal ligament. The smallest size is 1mm, perfect for many cat teeth.[/quote]

Thank you, Evelyn, looks like I'd better try some Kruuse luxators - I'm always happy to have an excuse to buy some new dentistry tools!

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Anthony Todd — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:56:43 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

Laurence was asking about luxators not elevators, Anthony!

It reads to me that you have for yourself discovered the superiority of luxation and the inferiority of elevation, and filed all your elevators into luxators.

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Geez, I just should have realised I'd be in trouble with an expert, but the message is the important thing.

All I know is that using what I described and made worked well for me to get the roots out in one piece.

I would agree that the shorter the instrument is the better, whether it's an elevator, luxator, an inspirator or an expirator and having a nice comfortable palm support is an advantage too.

I'll bet many vets don't keep their XXXXXators sharp and true, which is half the battle.

Would posters agree that having a concave "cutting" edge, sharpened on the back surface and matching the contour of the root, sort of this effect

(0 is an advantage?

It seemed to work and make sense to me and others in the practice.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:05:40 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

I found a set of needle files worked well as sharp "unburred" elevators are vital!!!

I was always wary of elevators with rounded ends as the tip wouldn't follow the outline of the root and slid of into or through the jaw very easily.... I always refiled mine to a "U" shape so it followed the root surface, sort of like a U-fronted shovel [but smaller].

The round needle file with it's varying diameter could be used to make any tip match even the smallest cat root.

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Laurence was asking about luxators not elevators, Anthony!

It reads to me that you have for yourself discovered the superiority of luxation and the inferiority of elevation, and filed all your elevators into luxators.

[quote user="Rob Davis"]

http://webshop.accesia.se/accesia-extraktor-kit-4-/113-0?sLang=LangEng

These are my personal favorites - they are a cross between a luxator and an elevator. They are sharpened on the convex surface so you have to buy a (rather expensive!) sharpening stone, and they are designed to be used following crown amputation. I use these almost exclusively.

For more conventional luxators I have alway used Svenska luxators, although I have never tried the Kruuse ones.

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It's partly personal preference probably, pragmatism is paramount.

I have a set of the Accesia "Extraktors" and I use them on occasion but I can rarely get on well with them: they still seem too thick in cross section.

Svenska luxators are very good (and expensive) but they are too long; they were designed for human dentistry and I suppose for human dentists with hands like shovels. Kruuse are much better: they are shorter (fit in the palm of my hand while the tip of my forefinger goes right on the working tip of the instrument, ideal) and the cross section seems to me to be just right for the dog or cat periodontal ligament. The smallest size is 1mm, perfect for many cat teeth.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Anthony Todd — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:13:38 GMT

I found a set of needle files worked well as sharp "unburred" elevators are vital!!!

The round needle file with it's varying diameter could be used to make any tip match even the smallest cat root.

I'm sure the dentists on here will give better advice than me though.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Anthony Todd — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:12:54 GMT

I found a set of needle files worked well as sharp "unburred" elevators are vital!!!

The round needle file with it's varying diameter could be used to make any tip match even the smallest cat root.

I'm sure the dentists on here will give better advice than me though.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Rob Davis — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:56:46 GMT

http://webshop.accesia.se/accesia-extraktor-kit-4-/113-0?sLang=LangEng

For more conventional luxators I have alway used Svenska luxators, although I have never tried the Kruuse ones.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:13:09 GMT

No question whatever in my mind, if you are only going to get one set get the Kruuse set.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:14:09 GMT

Never pay list price from Vetisco.

Re: Can you recommend some good luxators?

Rob Loxley — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 20:41:02 GMT

http://www.vetisco.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=326_295&product_id=1853