Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Stigen — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:33:05 GMT

I think global warming is making it more of a reality now. We do see cats that have been infested with bird fleas from time to time. But those can only bite, they can`t reproduce on the cat. But this week I actually think I saw a cat with true cat fleas (Ctenocephalides felis) based on microscopy. But I have yet to see FAD.
I certainly hope it is`nt TB as I have been in close contact with this cat. I guess if it had a compromised immune system from extensive infections in the pericardium and generalized in the thorax, it could lead to a generalized viremia of cowpox/pappiloma etc

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Anthony Dennison — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:31:53 GMT

[quote user="Wren"]I believe central heating has extended as far north as Dundee now. You may still be right with respect to Aberdeen though[/quote]

It's skipped parts of East Lancashire then: when once explaining to a client about wet clothes on radiators to increase humidity and cause flea pupae to hatch so the adults will be killed, he replied 'eeehhh, ah don't have radiators. Can I dry me clothes in front of the fire?'

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Wren — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:34:27 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

(and things may have changed now with global warming) but many years ago a colleague I spoke to from Scotland said they had very little problem with fleas just because the average temperature was that little bit lower and winters colder than southern England.

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I believe central heating has extended as far north as Dundee now. You may still be right with respect to Aberdeen though

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Lasercat — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:14:41 GMT

I second Martin on the possibility of cowpox, also wondered if TB could be a potential cause?

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Martin Atkinson — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:52:25 GMT

[quote user="Wren"]I am amazed about the fleas. Do you get other sorts of fleas, just not cat ones? What about the rest of Scandinavia?[/quote] It doesn't surprise me (and things may have changed now with global warming) but many years ago a colleague I spoke to from Scotland said they had very little problem with fleas just because the average temperature was that little bit lower and winters colder than southern England.

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Wren — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:14:50 GMT

FIP? Don't know about the skin though.

I am amazed about the fleas. Do you get other sorts of fleas, just not cat ones? What about the rest of Scandinavia?

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Stigen — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:08:52 GMT

so the cat died overnight in the hospital. Seemed to be doing better , then had a sudden "spastic episode" where it died rapidly. On autopsy - abdomen is mainly uneventful. Very big gallbladder , and vastly distended major bile duct. Thorax is grossly abnormal. High amount of septic fluid loose in thorax. Pericardium is grossly thickened,white and nodular. There are several white nodular lesion on the heart muscle.Connected to the sternum where some further large pus-filled nodules are seen. The connection of this to the skin lesions is unknown, as these did not appear infectious in character. Biopsy result should be back in sometime this week.

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:54:32 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]I've seen something similar with a particularly nasty flea allergy dermatitis [/quote]

Yes but never on the head??

Only where the cat can lick it??

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Like i said, nasty case. I know the head isn't a classic place and my best guess was an immune reaction of some kind; the cat was cleaned and de-flead and steroided (it was Saudi Arabia, no atopica around) and cat recovered uneventfully.

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Stigen — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:26:02 GMT

Yeah, forgot to mention I did check FIV/Felv - negative.

Also we don`t have cat fleas in Norway(not yet at least), so that`s not really on the differential. Also most these lumps are not ulcerated/inflamed.

These lumps don`t seem to bother the cat. the owner said they appeard last week when I saw it for the first time, but I would`nt be surprised if it has been developping over some weeeks without the owner noticing.

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Anthony Todd — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:05:04 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]I've seen something similar with a particularly nasty flea allergy dermatitis [/quote]

Yes but never on the head??

Only where the cat can lick it??

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Bob Russell — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:22:16 GMT

Worth checking FeLV/FIV status. Oddly behaving cases often have complicating factors!

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:55:41 GMT

[quote user="Stigen"]Could it be a form of urticaria.Is there any neoplasm that could become generalised in the skin so rapidly ?? [/quote] Urticaria would likely be more rapid onset and resolve more quickly, Eosinophilic granulomas unlikely to appear so quickly or be so generalised ditto tumours although you don't say how long the lesions had been there before first presentation. Generalised cowpox is a possibility if the cat is a hunter and immuno-compromised. As the liver picture is suspicious how about hepatocutaneous syndrome? Or a drug reaction (any history of recent treatment)?

I wouldn't best-guess this anymore, wait for the histo results then we'll all be wiser.

Re: Eosinophilic granuloma complex,allergy or neoplasia??

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:29:14 GMT

I've seen something similar with a particularly nasty flea allergy dermatitis - how's the flea control?

Kind regards,

Mark