Sexual frustration

Re: Sexual frustration

Julien Bazelle — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:47:14 GMT

I suspect this vet was referring to deslorin implant (Suprelorin ND) which is produced by Virbac.

This has been used as chemical castration agent in a similar way than Ypozane. Observance is improved as there is prolonged release of deslorin. This does not interfere with future sexual performances. It is an appropriate form of treatment for benign prostatic hyperplasia and can be an alternative to surgical castration (in my point of view the best treatment), Tardak or Ypozane.

I hope this helps

Julien Bazelle

Willows Referral Centre

Re: Sexual frustration

Sammy82 — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:10:16 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Sammy82"]Haha, maybe they mean "passing the genes that make you prone to allergies on to your children"? So if an owner asks if their dog could have caught it's pollen allergy off of them, at least we know where they got the idea.[/quote] I didn't expect to get back to bestiality on this thread!

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It was you who made that link, not me!

Re: Sexual frustration

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:05:43 GMT

Re: Sexual frustration

Sammy82 — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:27:04 GMT

Haha, maybe they mean "passing the genes that make you prone to allergies on to your children"? So if an owner asks if their dog could have caught it's pollen allergy off of them, at least we know where they got the idea.

Re: Sexual frustration

Anthony Todd — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:19:59 GMT

Mind you, it's not just us vets.....

Find out the facts about hay fever, including the causes, treatments and how to reduce the risk of passing it on.

From the NHS site, via a google search for "hay fever"....

Re: Sexual frustration

Mark Hedberg — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:04:25 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]

[quote user="GrooveJet"] The explanation may not always we scientifically accurate, but if the client has a vague idea what I'm on about I find complience improves and the animal is better served as a consequence.[/quote]

Like the story of the client who wanted more of 'those wonderful little white pills' for his atopic westie. 'The vet says they make him drink a lot and that cools his skin down, so he's far less itchy'.

[/quote]...groan...

Re: Sexual frustration

Anthony Todd — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:56:15 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]The veterinary surgeon who does a proper initial work-up , and eliminates the trigger factor [/quote]

If only it was that simple and that effective.

Re: Sexual frustration

Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 23:21:25 GMT

And get a reputation for being "reasonable" ( ie cheap) By the time the owner's paid for a lifetome of steroids (and all the iatrogenic problems these cause) you'll have made a fortune. The veterinary surgeon who does a proper initial work-up , and eliminates the trigger factor gets a reputation for being expensive - even though the dog will probably have a drug free non itchy healthy life, and ther'll be no on-going veterinary costs GRRRR!!!!!!!

Wynne

Re: Sexual frustration

Miriam Lodewyks — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 22:04:21 GMT

... exactly!!!

Re: Sexual frustration

Virginia Campbell — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 19:13:27 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]the story of the client who wanted more of 'those wonderful little white pills' for his atopic westie. 'The vet says they make him drink a lot and that cools his skin down, so he's far less itchy'.[/quote] how to do a skin consult in five minutes! genius!!

Re: Sexual frustration

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:44:59 GMT

Ah. Never try to explain to an owner that there's no such thing as his blood being overheated. Just grunt non-committally. Or nod and smile if you prefer.

Re: Sexual frustration

bob lehner — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:33:09 GMT

Re: Sexual frustration

Miriam Lodewyks — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 15:51:19 GMT

I too admit that I sometimes explain things to a client in a slightly more colourful and euphemistic way than is perhaps necessary... It brightens up the monotony of some conditions (like FAD & atopy) and is easier for some owners to remember. The explanation may not always we scientifically accurate, but if the client has a vague idea what I'm on about I find complience improves and the animal is better served as a consequence.

Re: Sexual frustration

Anthony Todd — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:58:39 GMT

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]The vet probably has limited access to CPD, modern text books and drugs, and may well be labouring in a second language and be handicapped by cultural beliefs and practices.[/quote]

Sometimes it's easier just to agree with the owner's understanding or preconception of the condition than to explain the ins and outs of hormonal conditions, let alone allergy.....

I remember just after I returned, full of the latest from Penn, [see Malcolm I did some CPD...] and a westie came in with the usual atopy etc.

I gave a very reasoned and detailed dissertation on allergic skin disease, you know a 15 minute lecture, careful, monosyllabic and reasoned.

At the end the client said "I don't know how he caught it, he never goes off the lead", so yes, sexual frustration may well have been said as an easy out even if some disbelieve.

Re: Sexual frustration

Stephen Courtney — Sat, 09 Aug 2014 08:02:13 GMT

The geographic location makes things clearer I suppose!

The vet probably has limited access to CPD, modern text books and drugs, and may well be labouring in a second language and be handicapped by cultural beliefs and practices.

Re: Sexual frustration

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:03:47 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]For how long did vets label FAD "hormonal deficiency" which was totally and completely accepted by the population, including drug companies and vets![/quote]Trouble is some vets still treat FAD with Ovarid instead of educating the client on good flea control so nothing has really changed has it?

Re: Sexual frustration

Anthony Todd — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:46:51 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]It is amazing how what we say, and what is heard, can differ![/quote]

The owner is an intelligent mature woman who would not misinterpret what she was told particularly when it is as way out as that.

Sometimes vets do give information which is totally misinterpreted and, to some owners, "sexual frustration" is more acceptable than "prostatic hyperplasia".

For how long did vets label FAD "hormonal deficiency" which was totally and completely accepted by the population, including drug companies and vets!

The vet ,not that I can contact him, [the dog is in West Africa....] may well have been misinterpreted but, in desperation, he/she may have sort of nodded when the owner suggested the prostate was connected with excess sexual activity.

I should have posted in just to make you smile..., I suppose.

Re: Sexual frustration

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:39:10 GMT

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]Martin you must have been very unlucky.[/quote] I think its the dog that was unlucky. Its a Dachshund and besides the usual spinal issues its had bilateral inguinal hernias, a perineal hernia, an idiopathic collapsing syndrome and just for good measure, half its ear ripped off by the dog groomer - just as well the owner was a vet nurse with a generous boss! Oh and I forgot another side effect from the Ypozane it made it incontinent for months.

Re: Sexual frustration

Stephen Courtney — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 23:19:16 GMT

Martin you must have been very unlucky. i've only used it a few times but in each animal several repeat courses have worked brilliantly, with no side effects whatsoever, and the one stud dog - his testicles were worth about 15k a side....yes some folk pay that much - went on to knock up a few more litters so obviously feminisation wasn't an issue for him.

On a personal level i prefer to get the nads off - it's simpler.

Re: Sexual frustration

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 10:34:25 GMT

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]Prostatic hyperplasia needs Ypozane if you aren't going to castrate. [/quote]The one and only dog I tried Ypozane on was horribly feminised with marked mammary gland hyperplasia, had vomiting and diarrhoea, polydypsia and was was lethargic for weeks. This was a staff member's dog so we were able to monitor it without too much drama but it seems to have read the list of side effects and decided to have them all. I'll admit it sorted out its prostate problem though!

I now stick to Tardak.

Re: Sexual frustration

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:26:06 GMT

I've just checked the calender - and it's not April1st.

PHEW - I thought for a minute I'd been hibernating for 4 months!

Wynne

Re: Sexual frustration

Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:06:59 GMT

How did you check- have you asked the vet? :-)

It is amazing how what we say, and what is heard, can differ!

Re: Sexual frustration

Stephen Courtney — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:06:21 GMT

Prostatic hyperplasia needs Ypozane if you aren't going to castrate. the implant I presume is suprelorin? Not what it is for.But Ypozane works brilliantly. Why use it? Breeding stud dog with BPH and valuable testicles...or an animal that is a serious anaesthesia risk perhaps?

It is a daily tablet for 7 days, and lasts about 6 months, maybe longer. That seems to bear some similarity to the 'implant every six months...' I suspect the story has gained in the telling.

Re: Sexual frustration

Anthony Todd — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:50:35 GMT

Checked; yes the vet did say that....

Perhaps it was easier and more readily accepted than the real causes of prostatic hyperplasia?

Re: Sexual frustration

Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:46:51 GMT

Just geld the dog