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There seem to be many unqualified arguments</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Antibiotic use in birds following cat attack</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/116183?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:13:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:6cc03586-4cb1-4cd0-9670-e375de17b115</guid><dc:creator>Marie Kubiak</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Baytril data sheet reads &amp;ldquo;The product may also be used in
exotic animals (small mammals, reptiles and avian species) for the treatment of
bacterial infections of the alimentary and respiratory tracts where clinical
experience, supported where possible by sensitivity testing of the causal
organism, indicates enrofloxacin as the drug of choice.&amp;rdquo; So no obligation to
use it for cat bites and indeed it is being used off licence for this. . Enrofloxacin has reasonable efficacy
from studies of farm animal P. multocida strains though treating small birds
necessitates injecting into the pectoral muscles and I would be loathe to do
this with the known potential for tissue necrosis as flight impairment invariably means a
dead bird.&lt;span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;With cat bites we are looking to prevent fatal sepsis,
usually associated with Pasteurella multocida. Human treatment of
pasteurellosis tend to be penicillins with amoxy-clav effective. One bird study
advocated doxycycline but injectable forms are only available on an STC here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We use amoxy-clav as it is safe and effective for
Pasteurella treatment, has a good evidence base in avian patients and covers a wide spectrum of other nasties from a cat&amp;rsquo;s
mouth. Oxytetracycline may be another option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Marie&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Smit%20T%5BAuthor%5D&amp;amp;cauthor=true&amp;amp;cauthor_uid=7376178"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;Smit T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Moraal%20LG%5BAuthor%5D&amp;amp;cauthor=true&amp;amp;cauthor_uid=7376178"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;Moraal LG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Bakhuizen%20T%5BAuthor%5D&amp;amp;cauthor=true&amp;amp;cauthor_uid=7376178"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;Bakhuizen T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.,
&lt;span style="mso-font-kerning:18.0pt;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold;"&gt;Pasteurella
multocida infections in birds following cat bites (author&amp;#39;s transl), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7376178" title="Tijdschrift voor diergeneeskunde."&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;Tijdschr Diergeneeskd.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
1980 Apr 15;105(8):327-9.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold;"&gt;Abstract&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;Infection with Pasteurella multocida caused by bites has been known for
several decades. Cats are an important factor in Pasteurella multocida
infection. Considerable numbers of victims are &amp;#39;rescued&amp;#39; from the mouths of
cats and submitted to bird reception centres for treatment. A number of bird
shelters sent birds in this condition to the present authors for closer
examination. The majority of birds caught by cats die. The mortality rates in
shelters were reported to be 30, 90, 99 and one hundred per cent. Of the birds
rescued alive from the mouths of cats, approximately 40 per cent died from the
direct effects of the bites, and approximately 60 per cent died from
Pasteurella multocida infection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-font-kerning:18.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold;"&gt;Korbel R, Epizootiology,
clinical aspects and therapy of Pasteurella multocida infection in bird
patients after cat bite, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2219107" title="Tier&amp;auml;rztliche Praxis."&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;Tierarztl Prax.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 1990 Aug;18(4):365-76.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold;"&gt;Abstract&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;Since early 1986, fatal cases of Pasteurella multocida infection
following cat bites have been seen regularly among avian patients at our
institute. The problems of the epizootiology of this infection are discussed on
the basis of research during the last three and a half years. By evaluation of
collected data from clinical examinations, autopsies, bacteriological and
biochemical diagnosis of isolated strains from birds and cats the possibility
of transmission via cat bite is discussed as well as the status of cats and
birds in an epizootic chain. Even birds with trivial wounds caused by cats must
be classified as emergency patients. The risk of an infection after a cat bite
is about 56%. For treatment of a Pasteurella multocida infection Doxycycline
should be used.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-fareast-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;"&gt;Donald P. Francis, MD; Monroe A. Holmes, DVM; Gatlin Brandon, MS, MPH, &lt;span style="mso-font-kerning:18.0pt;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold;"&gt;Pasteurella multocidaInfections
After Domestic Animal Bites and Scratches, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;JAMA. &lt;/i&gt;1975;233(1):42-45.
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span id="scm6MainContent_lblArticleTitle"&gt;Pasteurella multocida&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt; is a common cause of infection
following bites or scratches caused by dogs and cats. However, it is rarely
reported and apparently often overlooked as a pathogen. It causes the typical
clinical manifestations of a rapidly developing cellulitis at the site of
injury. The infection is potentially dangerous and can cause a chronic local
infection of deep tissues and septicemia. However, it responds well to several
antimicrobials, with penicillin being the drug of choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="name"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://aac.asm.org/search?author1=E+J+Goldstein&amp;amp;sortspec=date&amp;amp;submit=Submit"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;E J Goldstein&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;, &lt;span class="name"&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://aac.asm.org/search?author1=D+M+Citron&amp;amp;sortspec=date&amp;amp;submit=Submit"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;D M Citron&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;,
&lt;span class="name"&gt;&lt;a  target='_blank'  href="http://aac.asm.org/search?author1=G+A+Richwald&amp;amp;sortspec=date&amp;amp;submit=Submit"&gt;&lt;span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none;"&gt;G A Richwald&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;/span&gt;Lack of in vitro efficacy of oral forms of certain cephalosporins,
erythromycin, and oxacillin against Pasteurella multocida.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;ABSTRACT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal" id="p-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;The in
vitro susceptibility of human isolates of Pasteurella multocida to oral
antimicrobial agents from our current study and from a review of the literature
suggests that dicloxacillin (oxacillin), erythromycin, clindamycin, cephalexin,
cefaclor, and cefadroxil should not be used for empiric therapy of animal bite
wounds. Agents that were consistently active against P. multocida were
penicillin, ampicillin, amoxicillin-clavulanic acid, tetracycline, minocycline,
chloramphenicol, trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, and cefuroxime. Possible
reasons for the confusion regarding the activity of oral cephalosporins are
addressed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Antibiotic use in birds following cat attack</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/116181?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:25:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:ea08e669-1ed6-477a-942f-c62e7b2a7c8c</guid><dc:creator>Evelyn Barbour-Hill</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Michael Woodhouse&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#39;t matter. Baytril is licensed for use in birds. Unless I am very much mistaken amoxy/clav is not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many people take a lax view on the cascade but the rules are prescriptive:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The principle of the Cascade is that, &lt;strong&gt;if there is no suitable veterinary medicine&lt;br /&gt;authorised in the UK to treat a condition&lt;/strong&gt;, the veterinary surgeon responsible for the&lt;br /&gt;animal may, in particular to avoid causing unacceptable suffering, treat the animal in&lt;br /&gt;accordance with the following sequence, in descending order of priority&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;these medicines must not be used as a first choice treatment in&lt;br /&gt;every situation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote13.pdf&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a licensed product, you have to use it. Doesn&amp;#39;t matter what the published evidence says.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Yes, but:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Michael Woodhouse&amp;quot;]&lt;strong&gt;if there is no suitable veterinary medicine&lt;br /&gt;authorised in the UK to treat a condition&lt;/strong&gt;,[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enrofloxacin may not be &lt;i style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;suitable &lt;/i&gt;for treatment of cat-inflicted wounds on birds, being ineffective against anaerobes. So if the published evidence - or even your own considered opinion &amp;ndash; says so, you need not use Baytril (indeed, arguably, should not.).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Antibiotic use in birds following cat attack</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/116180?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 00:44:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:582074c1-e9ef-4d53-a2f4-8f92c6931606</guid><dc:creator>Michael Woodhouse</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#39;t matter. Baytril is licensed for use in birds. Unless I am very much mistaken amoxy/clav is not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many people take a lax view on the cascade but the rules are prescriptive:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The principle of the Cascade is that, &lt;b&gt;if there is no suitable veterinary medicine&lt;br /&gt;authorised in the UK to treat a condition&lt;/b&gt;, the veterinary surgeon responsible for the&lt;br /&gt;animal may, in particular to avoid causing unacceptable suffering, treat the animal in&lt;br /&gt;accordance with the following sequence, in descending order of priority&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;these medicines must not be used as a first choice treatment in&lt;br /&gt;every situation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote13.pdf&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a licensed product, you have to use it. Doesn&amp;#39;t matter what the published evidence says.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>