What do you think this is?

Re: What do you think this is?

Anthony Dennison — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:36:56 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

We found an 'alien' in a rapidly growing mass inside a bitch's leg. It was actually moving around and we expected it to burst out at any minute and grab someone by the throat. Of course the clue is in the word bitch - it was a near full term pup in a herniated uterine horn. We removed a live and healthy pup by caesarian via the leg then got the others out by the more traditional route!! Anyone else seen one of those?

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Not quite pregnant, but I did have a mini dachs that had an inguinal mass that got bigger twice a year. Turned out to be a uterine horn, which was why it was so difficult to find the uterus when I spayed her!

Re: What do you think this is?

Charlotte Marshall — Sun, 16 Mar 2014 21:44:25 GMT

Scary, I'd not heard this. But I have seen a post anaesthetic blindness in a cat before which had not had a gag used. (I rarely use them myself).

Re: What do you think this is?

Rob Loxley — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:13:57 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

[quote user="Tom Ward"]

Weird and the wacky! Hope the gag wasn't on too long! http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090023312000640

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I know this is a bit off topic but I was not aware of this risk until I did some recent cpd!

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Have seen this happen once...

Re: What do you think this is?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:45:40 GMT

[quote user="Tom Ward"]

Weird and the wacky! Hope the gag wasn't on too long! http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090023312000640

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See if you was a member of BVDA you'd be hip about this.

Re: What do you think this is?

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:58:06 GMT

Re: What do you think this is?

Tom Ward — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:42:21 GMT

Me neither, I stumbled across the report (can't even remember where) about 9months back and was shocked! Not used a gag since.[quote user="Bob Russell"]

I know this is a bit off topic but I was not aware of this risk until I did some recent cpd!

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Re: What do you think this is?

Bob Russell — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:52:06 GMT

[quote user="Tom Ward"]

Weird and the wacky! Hope the gag wasn't on too long! http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090023312000640

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I know this is a bit off topic but I was not aware of this risk until I did some recent cpd!

Re: What do you think this is?

Tom Ward — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:59:22 GMT

Weird and the wacky! Hope the gag wasn't on too long! http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090023312000640

Re: What do you think this is?

Rebecca MacMillan — Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:40:53 GMT

Ha ha! Alien would have made for a more interesting JSAP article though!

Re: What do you think this is?

Aurelia Verdin — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 14:04:37 GMT

I had a similar looking mass once in a dog, but it originated a bit further back. The owner had brought it in as they had seen this strange thing appear in the dog's mouth and it appeared to move (they described it as almost looking like an alien!). On exam there was nothing obvious so we put the dog under ga and when I went to intubate there was nothing obvious, but when I pulled the tongue forward the mass suddenly appeared, it was attached by a long thin cord and was popping up and down the oesophagus, so had not always been visible! The owners were quite pleased it was not an alien!

Re: What do you think this is?

Charlotte Marshall — Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:17:26 GMT

Good to know

Thanks

Charlotte

Re: What do you think this is?

Malcolm Ness — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 22:24:24 GMT

I have seen a number of cases like this over the years in both cats and dogs - large, often surprisingly large, unilateral lesion originating on the tonsil. Typically pedunculated and relatively easy to remove. The histopathologists seem to struggle to know exactly what they are. The path report and the clinical presentation apparently at odds with one another. If I recall correctly, excision has proved curative in all cases.

Re: What do you think this is?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 17:46:12 GMT

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Well it definitely originated from the tonsil. As it came from the tonsil I was thinking neoplasia. We sent it off and this was the report we got:

"Diagnosis: Suppurative stomatitis

Description: one section of the submitted tissue is examined. The tissue is markedly oedematous with areas of necrosis and fibrin exudation. The tissue also contains extensive infiltrates of neutrophils, macrophages, lymphocytes and plasma cells

Comment: This is an inflammatory lesion. It is most likely to be a consequence of trauma or possible bacterial infection. There is no evidence of neoplasia"

As we were surprised by this we got them to do some more slides from it. They got a couple of people to look at it and still said the majority of tissue was inflammatory and necrotic. One of the slides did have tissue consistent with tonsil. One person thought there was one area with less well organised blood vessels which could possibly be neoplastic but the other two disagreed.

So we wait and see I suppose but that was certainly not the histology result I expected!

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Interesting. Thanks for posting.

Re: What do you think this is?

Charlotte Marshall — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 17:39:34 GMT

Well it definitely originated from the tonsil. As it came from the tonsil I was thinking neoplasia. We sent it off and this was the report we got:

"Diagnosis: Suppurative stomatitis

Comment: This is an inflammatory lesion. It is most likely to be a consequence of trauma or possible bacterial infection. There is no evidence of neoplasia"

So we wait and see I suppose but that was certainly not the histology result I expected!

Re: What do you think this is?

Derek Lyon — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:45:33 GMT

I had something similar in the nasal cavity of a Chimpanzee. Removal was via pharynx. Lesion started in pharynx and went out through nose. Medic told me they can get big in humans!

Re: What do you think this is?

Bob Russell — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 08:30:13 GMT

it amazes me how big these can get - bet it is a polyp!

Re: What do you think this is?

Mark Holmes — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 07:58:20 GMT

How old is the cat? Has it been stertorous for some time? Looks like Np polyp. Possibly just fallen/coughed from nasopharnx into the oropharynx. Did it have a stalk. I pulled one out of a youngish cat about 18m ago which looked similar.

Re: What do you think this is?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 02:10:07 GMT

It's a lump.

Re: What do you think this is?

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 00:06:22 GMT

My money is a SCC. Do you have histo back or are we all waiting to find out?