Dennis's Goose!

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Bob Russell — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:04:53 GMT

This is a 'wild' goose!

The radiograph was taken to check for lead because it lives on the Beaulieu River (makes it a posh wild goose I suppose). I will check with Dennis how it is.

The mass feels like an egg (ie egg shaped!) and is very firm on palpation. Obviously I did not test it to destruction! The bird was X-rayed through its box so I was not expecting anything diagnostic other than lead. It was done out of interest!

I was a bit curious!

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Marie Kubiak — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:58:22 GMT

+1 for orthogonal views with limbs out the way!

I'm guessing that the mass is on the right side as there is a soft tissue density on the other that looks like proventriculus so would expect gizzard to be same side (but may just be positioning and overlying of liver and intestines pretending to be the PV....). If mass actually on the left then I'd agree, ventriculus most likely site of opacity.

is this definitely a female? Could be a mass of calcified multilaminated egg also. Seems too far cranial for a cloacolith.

Marie

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:26:34 GMT

Gizzard (ventriculus) full of grit???

Not an ideal picture really (concious I assume?) so difficult to be certain. I know you was probably only doing a survey radiograph for heavy metals but.......I am going to have to be a nag now (. You wouldn't take a concious picture of a cat all curled up on the plate and expect it to be diagnostic - would you? You'd expect all kinds of artifacts etc. If you're going to go to the trouble of investigating these species, it really is worth persuading the owner to let you give them a bit of gas and doing a couple of decent lateral and VD exposures. It will take very little extra time or cost but will be worth it - honest!! (I hope you don't think I am being horrid, I mean well! )

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Bob Russell — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:53:50 GMT

Not at the moment. The X-ray was taken more out of interest than anything else. I will see if the bird eats!

It was seen being chased round by a dog so may simply be exhausted. It looked fine on examination and the 'object' feels like an egg despite its appearance on X-ray!

I am sure Dennis will happily bring the bird back in should things not be going well!

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Andrew Kent — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:51:41 GMT

My guess would be that that is the proventriculus as it looks similar to how I remember them appearing. But it is a long time since I have seen any bird radiographs so also await with interest the expert opinions!

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:45:58 GMT

Is there a way you can do a lateral? sometimes the most normal items have a crazy shape in a different radiograph view!

Re: Dennis's Goose!

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:19:45 GMT

By no stretch of imagination am I a bird expert, so I won't comment-just read other people's postings (with interest)

Wynne