Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Yantha Smyth — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:08:52 GMT

Just wanted to mention that I think that the calcium carbonate mentioned in the home made renal diet recipes is for balancing the calcium content of the diet, and NOT for phosphate binding, therefore would not recommend adding ca carbonate to another food that already has the right amount of calcium.

Greyhounds often have increased overall dietary requirements for energy, so she may well be very hungry and struggle to maintain weight on a standard quantity- worth mentioning they could expect to need to feed 33-50% more on bodyweight basis?

I found a product called omega-aid that we added to the home-made diets of greyhounds with renal disease- as an omega fatty acid supplement which is meant to have some beneficial effects on the kidneys.

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:51:07 GMT

Renalzin can be used off-license in dogs (source: phone call with tech support a few years ago) - the only issue was that you needed rather a lot for larger dogs!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

scatty — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:58:57 GMT

Apparently ipakitine is discontinued from our supplier and renalzin appears to be just for cats? The owners have also found a Burns diet suitable for CRD with low protein and phosphate which is half the price of RCW renal so think will go with that and if the phosphate levels are high after starting that, then will add calcium carbonate to the food.

Thanks for all your responses!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

scatty — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:24:30 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="scatty"]buy calcium carbonate[/quote]

Calcium carbonate is chalk. What's the geology like in your area?

[/quote]

Closeby to the Needles actually!! :)

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Suzanne Kelly — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:25:08 GMT

Ipakitine?

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:08:46 GMT

I fear that whatever this dog has if the owners can't afford a few pence more over a decent diet for renal food their commitment to a home cooked diet which contains fresh chicken let alone to further investigation and treatment is not likely to be high. Being as its the phosphate rather than protein that is the real problem in renal disease how about adding some calcium carbonate to their Bakers or Butchers!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:36:31 GMT

[quote user="scatty"]buy calcium carbonate[/quote]

Calcium carbonate is chalk. What's the geology like in your area?

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Bob Russell — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:26:15 GMT

Cerebos Iodised salt was available from Tesco's last time I looked. 75p!

Seems to be only Ocado and Waitrose now!!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:32:27 GMT

Iodized salt is actually pretty hard to find in the UK - it's weird; very few food stores have it.

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

scatty — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:03:50 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

From http://avetsguidetolife.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/home-made-kidney-diet.html

[quote]

Here's a recipe for a fully balanced diet that will help with kidney disease. This comes from Small Animal Clinical Nutrition, 4th Edition (a veterinary nutrition textbook).

Daily food as fed formulation for an 18kg (40lb) dog. Change the amounts based on the size of the dog. Food can be weighed with a regular cooking scale or other gram scale.

Cooked white rice (may substitute rice baby cereal and flavor with meat broth during cooking)--237g

Cooked regular beef (retain the fat)--78g

Large boiled egg--20g

White bread--50g

Vegetable oil--3g

Calcium carbonate--1.5g

Iodized salt--0.5g

1 human multivitamin

For a 4.5g (10lb) cat you can use the following recipe for daily amounts.

Cooked chicken liver--21g

Cooked white rice (may substitute rice baby cereal and flavor with meat broth during cooking)--98g

Cooked white chicken--21g

Vegetable oil--7g

Calcium carbonate--0.7g

Iodized salt--0.5g

Salt substitute (KCl)--0.5g

1/2 human multivitamin

1 to 1/2 taurine tablet (500mg/tablet)

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Good luck!

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Very interesting! The salt surprises me a bit - I'm guessing you can buy calcium carbonate/iodised salt in chemists?

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Kate Richardson — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:03:11 GMT

[quote user="scatty"]She isn't spayed.[/quote]

Season? Endometritis?

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

scatty — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:00:42 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

Just a quick comment- not sure what current urea/creat is but greyhound types often have higher normal values than other breeds so check with your lab as to what they consider normal for this breed first as you may find that her current levels are normal. I would save your money and not worry about fortekor at this stabe unless you have an elevated UPC. Also have you done a urine culture/sediment exam or treated with antibiotics at all yet given the haematuria? Also is she speyed? If no antibiotics so far, given lack of funds I would consider treating with say amoxyclav for 2 weeks then reassessing bloods and urine.

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Hi, sorry Kate completely forgot to say I already gave a 2 week course of amoxyclav initially! Really useful to hear about the reference range. We ran it in house but I can always give IDEXX a call. Obviously, I would like to repeat the bloods and see her again. She isn't spayed.

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:56:02 GMT

From http://avetsguidetolife.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/home-made-kidney-diet.html

[quote]

Here's a recipe for a fully balanced diet that will help with kidney disease. This comes from Small Animal Clinical Nutrition, 4th Edition (a veterinary nutrition textbook).

Daily food as fed formulation for an 18kg (40lb) dog. Change the amounts based on the size of the dog. Food can be weighed with a regular cooking scale or other gram scale.

Cooked white rice (may substitute rice baby cereal and flavor with meat broth during cooking)--237g

Cooked regular beef (retain the fat)--78g

Large boiled egg--20g

White bread--50g

Vegetable oil--3g

Calcium carbonate--1.5g

Iodized salt--0.5g

1 human multivitamin

For a 4.5g (10lb) cat you can use the following recipe for daily amounts.

Cooked chicken liver--21g

Cooked white rice (may substitute rice baby cereal and flavor with meat broth during cooking)--98g

Cooked white chicken--21g

Vegetable oil--7g

Calcium carbonate--0.7g

Iodized salt--0.5g

Salt substitute (KCl)--0.5g

1/2 human multivitamin

1 to 1/2 taurine tablet (500mg/tablet)

[/quote]

Good luck!

Re: Any cheaper versions of renal diets?/Weird renal/hepatic case!

Kate Richardson — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:54:56 GMT