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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/utility/feedstylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/f/clinical-questions/15195/draining-tract-post-teca</link><description> I and a colleague of mine have been dealign with a Westie that developed an infection post TECA just before Christmas 2012. Initially there was swelling around the ear and discomfort on palpation, which resolved with Antirobe and meloxicam. 
 The ear</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87970?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 11:57:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:7dcb7b54-7038-4c91-9871-1c61f5c9d84d</guid><dc:creator>Malcolm Ness</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;TECA/LBO is increasingly regarded as a relatively routine, primary care practice surgical procedure but it is technically very challenging and in my opinion should only be contemplated by those who have significant surgical expertise plus some procedure-specific training.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is much in the literature with peri-operative major complication rates of 25% being typical. There are relatively few reports following these cases over a longer period (2 years plus) and that is significant because para-aural abscessation as described in this case is a common late complication typically seen many months or even years after surgery. In our own cases, this occurs in about 2.5% cases but , like most referral practices we see a steady stream of cases operated elsewhere that would suggest a significant &amp;quot;learning-curve&amp;quot; effect exists resulting in some surgeons having substantial complication rates. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have had no long-term success dealing with these cases medically - they need surgical revision.The revision surgery is challenging and involves identification and retrieval of the skin/epithelial tissue that was left at the earlier &amp;quot;sub-total ear canal ablation&amp;quot;. The prognosis is a little guarded and the owner should be warned that a single revision surgery might not be curative.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87969?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 11:50:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:4c1a7a51-78b1-4697-b8f1-1c1c261d52d2</guid><dc:creator>Hannah Wynne Richards</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;This sounds like one where I would volunteer to pay for referral (even if I didn&amp;#39;t consider myself negligent in the first place)&amp;nbsp; Call me a coward-you&amp;#39;re right&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wynne&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87968?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 11:36:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:15d249d2-89bb-4d4f-bf28-23e3b08339a8</guid><dc:creator>David Mills</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;John Flynn&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Anthony Dennison&amp;quot;]This is what I was starting to think. &amp;nbsp;Will try and clear the infection a bit before going to surgery[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Easier to go back to surgery without clearing the infection in my opinion - that draining tract is your only clue as to path of dissection to take to get the epithelium. A deep swab at time of surgery and appropriate post-op antibiotics should be fine - also means you can hospitalise on eg gentamicin injections for few days while waiting for swab results - you might already have idea what infection likely to be in there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve never done this, but a colleague has twice and managed fine; I&amp;#39;d be concerned that I&amp;#39;d lost my usual anatomical landmarks and, together with the scarring, there&amp;#39;d be a bigger risk of facial nerve serious damage. I would wimp out and refer if that was an option, otherwise I&amp;#39;d have the owner well-warned about the increased risk of permanent facial nerve paralysis just in case...&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#39;t know how much experience ou have of the procedure, but as Mr Flynn says, be very careful with this. It is not a simple dissection and there is potential for catastrophic nerve damage. Almost certainly there was insufficient curretage/debridement of the epithelium. During the surgery you will be working down a deep, dark hole. Care with too eager debridement - there is a venous plexus within the bulla that you don&amp;#39;t want to hit. Much of the discharge won&amp;#39;t be infection so there is little point waiting. I would not use gentamicin - your normal antibiotics first line antibiotics - e.g. cefalexin - should be used pending culture.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87955?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 08:25:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:743e1fe6-9970-4cc0-b2cf-73e91725b0a0</guid><dc:creator>John Flynn</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Anthony Dennison&amp;quot;]This is what I was starting to think. &amp;nbsp;Will try and clear the infection a bit before going to surgery[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Easier to go back to surgery without clearing the infection in my opinion - that draining tract is your only clue as to path of dissection to take to get the epithelium. A deep swab at time of surgery and appropriate post-op antibiotics should be fine - also means you can hospitalise on eg gentamicin injections for few days while waiting for swab results - you might already have idea what infection likely to be in there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve never done this, but a colleague has twice and managed fine; I&amp;#39;d be concerned that I&amp;#39;d lost my usual anatomical landmarks and, together with the scarring, there&amp;#39;d be a bigger risk of facial nerve serious damage. I would wimp out and refer if that was an option, otherwise I&amp;#39;d have the owner well-warned about the increased risk of permanent facial nerve paralysis just in case...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87953?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 07:43:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:da01b32e-6df0-4640-99f8-821c75ae9037</guid><dc:creator>Anthony Dennison</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;This is what I was starting to think. &amp;nbsp;Will try and clear the infection a bit before going to surgery&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87949?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 00:15:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:d29c67bb-d631-462e-be79-0f81dcbe2cb7</guid><dc:creator>Braden Collins</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I believe one of the most common reasons for draining tracts post TECA is failing to remove all the epithelium from the tympanic bulla. That would be where I&amp;#39;d focus my attention with any revision Sx.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87937?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 20:47:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:b4b97ee7-2f7e-4796-b167-33f7098c4f5c</guid><dc:creator>Mark Hedberg</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Nicola Lawlor&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would also suspect revision surgery would be needed. Quite possibly some epithelial tissue still deep down there? &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Almost certainly; while I&amp;#39;m no dermatologist; there&amp;#39;s some focus of irritation/infection/atopy down there that&amp;#39;s still providing a source of nastiness.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87936?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 19:53:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:2b4b079e-0c93-4e4d-b02a-b425208f9eba</guid><dc:creator>Nicola Lawlor</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I would also suspect revision surgery would be needed. Quite possibly some epithelial tissue still deep down there? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Draining tract post TECA</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/87931?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 18:47:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:3096c652-548f-483c-8283-b7115573c727</guid><dc:creator>Evelyn Barbour-Hill</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Dunno but I fear it is going to need revision surgery. I&amp;#39;d be delighted to be proved wrong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>