Multivitamin injection

Re: Multivitamin injection

Mark Hedberg — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:17:45 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]

[quote user="Thomas Ward"] I remember a lecturer's favourite phrase at vet-school: "multivitamins are the last vestige of the diagnostically destitute". Stuck with me![/quote]

One of the old farm vets I saw practice with used to tell me it worked because it was pink.

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Ah, good old Catasol. :)

Re: Multivitamin injection

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:19:06 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]

[quote user="Thomas Ward"] I remember a lecturer's favourite phrase at vet-school: "multivitamins are the last vestige of the diagnostically destitute". Stuck with me![/quote]

One of the old farm vets I saw practice with used to tell me it worked because it was pink.

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That's B12 surely?

Multivitamin (watersoluble) injections are yellow and smell of Marmite and come squirting out of the bottle (nobody's ever explained to me why) and if you mix them with Terramycin you get a precipitated mess. Ahh...... Parentrovite.

Still, being serious for a moment, one sometimes needs to treat thiamine deficiency as an emergency.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Anthony Dennison — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:48:23 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Ward"] I remember a lecturer's favourite phrase at vet-school: "multivitamins are the last vestige of the diagnostically destitute". Stuck with me![/quote]

One of the old farm vets I saw practice with used to tell me it worked because it was pink.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Jo Cobbett — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:25:17 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Ward"]

I remember a lecturer's favourite phrase at vet-school: "multivitamins are the last vestige of the diagnostically destitute". Stuck with me!

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Or to quote Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory "What you have there are the ingredients for very expensive urine"

Re: Multivitamin injection

Tom Ward — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:20:43 GMT

Tested a lot of B12s in the Midlands (think any practice using Roger Batt's lab is well encouraged to do this), and a lot of animals with GI disease were deficient. I don't use any multivits - I remember a lecturer's favourite phrase at vet-school: "multivitamins are the last vestige of the diagnostically destitute". Stuck with me!

Re: Multivitamin injection

Emily Nightingale — Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:15:57 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

We use B12 in smallies. Combivit in sheep along with B1 and B12.

Not sure I've ever injected a multivitamin. There was that yellow stuff in a semi-rigid drip bag that's name escapes me. Somewhere I saw practice loved it.

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Duphalyte??

Re: Multivitamin injection

Wren — Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:19:03 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

We use B12 in smallies. Combivit in sheep along with B1 and B12.

Not sure I've ever injected a multivitamin. There was that yellow stuff in a semi-rigid drip bag that's name escapes me. Somewhere I saw practice loved it.

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That was probably us...

Re: Multivitamin injection

Niall Taylor — Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:21:08 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]You could always try homeopathy instead - it is readilly available and has a similar evidence base....[/quote]

There will be blue snow before a homeopath would ever submit a post questioning whether something they had been doing for a long period was effective, far less announce that they were going to stop homeopathy after reviewing the evidence.

[smug smiley]

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Multivitamin injection

Rob Davis — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 14:08:25 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]A hangover from having been educated in the late Triassic I'm sure, but I'm twitchy about the prospect of no longer having M/V's on the shelf. Completely irrational, I'm sure really there is no need for them and I could make do with just B12 for GI issues. So I'm going to be brave and see if I do without - wish me luck! [/quote]

You could always try homeopathy instead - it is readilly available and has a similar evidence base....

Re: Multivitamin injection

Niall Taylor — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 12:47:21 GMT

Thanks folks (particularly Gillian for her pithy response - less is more and all that!)

It was just idle speculation on my part really - I'm aware there is no licensed small animal multi-vitamin preparation (other than Duphalyte which is for i/v use) and M/V's are something I am "in the habit of giving". A hangover from having been educated in the late Triassic I'm sure, but I'm twitchy about the prospect of no longer having M/V's on the shelf. Completely irrational, I'm sure really there is no need for them and I could make do with just B12 for GI issues. So I'm going to be brave and see if I do without - wish me luck!

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Multivitamin injection

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:11:53 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

I was answering the question the OP posted!

Which injectable multivits do you use in small animals?

None.

Simples!

[/quote] Doh

Re: Multivitamin injection

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:48:40 GMT

I was answering the question the OP posted!

Which injectable multivits do you use in small animals?

None.

Simples!

Re: Multivitamin injection

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:38:15 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

none

[/quote] ?

Re: Multivitamin injection

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:39:57 GMT

none

Re: Multivitamin injection

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:46:13 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Kent"]I'm not sure that pernicious anaemia has ever been reported in a cat. [/quote] Thanks for clearing that one up for me then! Nothwithstanding the mechanism, a lot of anaemic old cats benefit from a shot of B12.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Andrew Kent — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:02:49 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Sandra Patzner"]I use B12 a LOT [/quote] So do I but that was not the OP's question. A lot of old cats are like old people and can get pernicious anaemia because they can't absorb B12 effectively from the gut anymore, also as you've said helps chronic GI disease and maladsorption cases for the same reason.

[/quote] I'm not sure that pernicious anaemia has ever been reported in a cat. In people intrinsic factor (required for b12 absorption) is only produced in the stomach and goes low because of atrophic gastritis, but in cats it is produced in the pancreas.

They do, of course, become hypocobalaminaemic due to GI disease but it causes different clinical signs.

Andy

Re: Multivitamin injection

David Mills — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 19:34:42 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]There was that yellow stuff in a semi-rigid drip bag that's name escapes me[/quote]

Duphalyte? I always wondered if they made it yellow because most yellow things that go in or come out of a vein in veterinary medicine mean death is imminent - pentobarb, jaundiced blood, duphalyte...

As an aside, if you are ever travelling in rural Africa and don't fancy carrying too much cash, take a stash of multivitamin tablets - in traditional communities they are more valued than money and can easily buy a bed for the night.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:15:04 GMT

Re: Multivitamin injection

Dagmar Steele — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:26:06 GMT

fortunately nowadays people asking for "strengthening injections" get fewer and fewer, it used to be a regular feature. I never saw any sense behind it, so no multivitamins here. BUT we use B12 in ibd and gastrointestinal cases.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:18:58 GMT

We use B12 in smallies. Combivit in sheep along with B1 and B12.

Not sure I've ever injected a multivitamin. There was that yellow stuff in a semi-rigid drip bag that's name escapes me. Somewhere I saw practice loved it.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Sandra Milburn — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:18:14 GMT

I use B12 a LOT :) Most GI cases, inappetant cats and suspected pancreatitis cases get it. Have done a lot of B12 testing in GI cases when I was working at a clinic in the Midlands, was very surprised how many patients were deficient.

Re: Multivitamin injection

James Laidlaw — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:56:00 GMT

I used to see vitbee and anivit on the shelves at various practices as B vitamin complexes, but don't really use them anymore either.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:02:12 GMT

Erm....none, but I do believe there is an out-of-date bottle of Anivit 4BC on the shelf! No actually I use Nanovits in small furries but I'm not sure to what effect. I believe, that as with us, if the animal is having a balanced diet it does not require additional supplementation, any such is more for the placation of clients that true need.

Re: Multivitamin injection

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:51:09 GMT

Combivit, about once in a blue moon.

Why do you ask?