Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

CatherineThomas — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:30:49 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Bose"]

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]

Come on Mark, I guess I'm not the only one who'd like that handout, too :-)

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seconded

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me too

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

HMC — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:26:10 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]

Come on Mark, I guess I'm not the only one who'd like that handout, too :-)

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seconded

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Dagmar Steele — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:52:10 GMT

you could also try Hydrochlorothiazide 1mg/kg/d, the lecturer said there were two cases written up where it worked to prevent new stones forming. Unfortunately the side effects may include nephrocalcinosis, so I'm not convinced to try this yet.

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Glenn Hodgson — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:48:52 GMT

Thanks all for your thoughts to date.

Bottled water is a new one to me. I have clients that would be delighted to give their g.pigs bottled water! The soap doesn't lather as well in Falkirk as it used to Forfar so there may be something in this!

Kind regards

Glenn

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Dagmar Steele — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:02:18 GMT

Come on Mark, I guess I'm not the only one who'd like that handout, too :-)

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Mark Rowland — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:28:34 GMT

[quote user="Glenn Hodgson"]

I am treating my fair share of G.Pigs with these troublesome crystals/stones. Has anyone got any gems for their treatment?

Diuresis seems to work best for me in conjunction with feeding a "propper diet", primarily grass/hay with sensible Calcium:phos and a vit C source.

Some of my patients are VERY refractory to treatment though.

I have tried several other treatments, none with alarming success.

Assuming a only crystals (no stones). How do you treat this condition?

Glenn

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I have a handout for treatment of this condition. PM me if you would like a copy

Mark

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Dagmar Steele — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:48:04 GMT

I may stand corrected here. I was told (very recently, CPD about 3 weeks ago) that dandelions contain lots of Ca, so hence a no go. Herbal hay often has clover and such in it, hay made from grass is preferable.

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

HMC — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:27:26 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]

[quote user="Hannah Bose"]I don't know if the french word for dandelion 'pissenlit' has any connection to diuresis but would love to know[/quote]

From wikipedia: In modern French, the plant is named pissenlit (or vernacular pisse au lit).^{[citation needed]} Likewise, "piss-a-bed" is an English folk-name for this plant

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Thanks

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Rob Davis — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:37:46 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Bose"]I don't know if the french word for dandelion 'pissenlit' has any connection to diuresis but would love to know[/quote]

From wikipedia: In modern French, the plant is named pissenlit (or vernacular pisse au lit).^{[citation needed]} Likewise, "piss-a-bed" is an English folk-name for this plant

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

HMC — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:05:38 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]no dandelions[/quote]

I recommend dandelions as they supposedly have diuretic properties (I don't know if the french word for dandelion 'pissenlit' has any connection to diuresis but would love to know). Groundsel supposedly has antiseptic properties.

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:04:03 GMT

Useful suggestions, Dagmar, thanks. What's the contra-indication for dandelion and herbal hay?

Re: Calcium Oxalate - G.Pigs

Dagmar Steele — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:47:32 GMT

In acute cases I give NaCl and Furosemid, try to empty sludge out of bladder manually (Have the GP hanging, holding it behind the front legs), check for stones, cystitis, neoplasias. Management in cases with crystals only avoid food with high Ca and Mg content, no dandelions, clover, plain hay, no herbal hay, fresh greens. increase water intake, feed greens, cucumber/peppers good source of water, make them move as much as possible, maybe offer a salt stone to make them drink more. Try out different waters, tap water, rain water, still water low Ca and Mg, some prefer one brand over the other. Some of them are really frustrating.